THE PRESUMPTUOUS PROPHETS OF 2024 - by Lovesickscribe

Found here. Our comments in bold.

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More Bad Bible Teaching from this author. She will contradict herself, she fails to quote relevant Scriptures, and she cannot manage to make a coherent case for the cessation of the prophetic gift.

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And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the LORD has not spoken?’—when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 (The author omitted the prior verse:

De. 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.

We will get back later as to why this is important.)

(...) deleted long, irrelevant, distracting explanation

...the prophetic words are preceded by “The Lord is saying” or “The Holy Spirit told me”, followed by speaking in the first person on behalf of God. (We have occasionally observed people prophesying this way, but it is very old fashioned, and in our opinion, improper.)

At the same time, these individuals will state that they do not hear God perfectly and that they are merely sharing what they believe God is telling them.

This type of talk brings confusion to many, as they believe these people are hearing from God and have special access to His thoughts while claiming that their words are not authoritative. However, these words are stamped with God’s name, and they are authoritative. (For the author, "authoritative" means that prophecy is on the same level as all other revelation from God, including Scripture. There is no difference. Thus contemporary prophecy, required to be authoritative, cannot be mistaken, misunderstood, or contain any error at all. That would make it less than authoritative.

But there is no such doctrine in the Bible regarding "authoritative" prophecy.)

A reference to 2 Chronicles 20:20 is used at times (Let's actually quote the verse:

2Ch. 20:20 Early in the morning they left for the Desert of Tekoa. As they set out, Jehoshaphat stood and said, “Listen to me, Judah and people of Jerusalem! Have faith in the LORD your God and you will be upheld; have faith in his prophets and you will be successful.”

We have never heard anyone quote this verse in connection with contemporary prophecy. We have never heard anyone discuss this verse, preach on it, or use it to ensure compliance. The whole idea is preposterous.)

to encourage the masses to listen to those who say they are prophets. By listening to them and believing their words, they are guaranteed their ways will prosper.

The belief that fallible prophecy is Biblical is actually unbiblical. (Undocumented claim.)

The belief that we are in need of fresh revelation undermines Scripture, (Undocumented claim.)

the more sure Word of prophecy. (Whoa. The author grossly misuses this unattributed verse snippet. She's referring to 

1 Peter 1:16-20 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 

In this passage Peter begins by assuring his readers that what he told them isn't a story someone just made up. No, he was an eye witness to certain events, including how he actually heard God's voice from heaven at the Transfiguration. He did not make it up, he saw with his own eyes. 

According to Peter, something has made the prophetic word more sure. Something caused Peter to assert that the OT prophecies more believable. That something was an event he witnessed, a profound, earth-shaking proclamation of affirmation: “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Peter was appealing to his own first hand eyewitness experience as primary evidence. Evidence of what? The things he witnessed made the OT prophecies more sure to Peter. This is because Jesus fulfilled all the OT prophecies.

The "more sure word of prophecy" is not referring to Scripture.

Further, this passage is not about NT prophecy, it's specifically about prophecy of the scripture. It's about the OT prophecies, past tense: ...but holy men of God spake... Peter was not discussing contemporary prophecy, nor was he telling us about the superiority of Scripture vs. prophecy. 

The author completely misunderstands this.)

When searching Scripture, there is no true prophet of God that ever had an inaccurate word from the Lord. (Argument From Silence. Simply because the Bible doesn't record an instance of an inaccurate word from a true prophet does not mean it never happened.

And what about Agabus? We know that cessationists quibble with this, but it's certainly true he was inaccurate. Scripture describes him as a prophet. Yet he didn't get a prophecy 100% correct. Here's his prophecy about what would happen to Paul:

Ac. 21:10-11 After we had been there a number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 Coming over to us, he took Paul’s belt, tied his own hands and feet with it and said, “The Holy Spirit says, `In this way the Jews of Jerusalem will bind the owner of this belt and will hand him over to the Gentiles."

Here's what actually happened to Paul:

Ac. 21:33 The commander came up and arrested him and ordered him to be bound with two chains. Then he asked who he was and what he had done.

Did the Jews hand him over to the Gentiles? No, Paul was seized and bound by the Romans. This may be a minor point, but remember, we are talking about the supposed need for 100% accuracy.)

It is an interesting point to consider that those who believe in fallible prophecy hold to being under a better covenant, which is true. However, the allowance of fallible prophecy places the Old Covenant in a much better light given that the prophets of God prior to Jesus’ earthly ministry had zero trouble hearing from the Lord, speaking with authority, and speaking with accuracy. (Indeed. The OT prophets wrote the very words of God. That level of revelation is certainly noteworthy.)

It is also important to note the hundreds of prophecies fulfilled in Scripture that were explicit and not ambiguous. God never spoke in vague generalities. (Who has said he does?)

He is omniscient and His ways are perfect. He told the prophets what He wanted them to know and what to say. There were prophecies given with specific time frames, and they were fulfilled. There were prophecies concerning specific individuals, and we know that the Bible testifies of Jesus Christ through and through. Hundreds of details surrounding Jesus were proclaimed hundreds of years before Jesus came to earth, truly God and truly man. The Lord fulfilled those prophecies. (No one disputes any of this.)

The Word of God is rich with the testimony of Jesus. (Again, no one disputes this.)

It contains all the prophecy we will ever need. (Um, wait. This is the matter the author needs to prove. Simply restating the premise does not establish it.)

It sufficiently contains all that God wanted us to know about Him and about what is to come. (Then why do we have preachers? Commentaries? Bible dictionaries?)

Our hope is not found in those who claim to be prophetic voices with special anointings and premium access to heaven and the throne room of God. (Who thinks this?)

Our hope is in Jesus Christ. Hebrews 1:1,2 says, (Finally the author will quote Scripture...) 

“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.” 

The Word also reminds us that the standard for prophets has never changed, (Where does the Bible say this? 

Astonishingly, the author will directly contradict this assertion in the very next paragraph.)

and the cycle of presumptuous prophets in our day has not run dry.

The way in which to test those claiming revelation from God has not waivered. His instruction is clear and coherent. God takes it seriously for someone to speak in His name, and those entertaining these individuals and their claims today should give serious pause. God thinks so much of someone falsely speaking in His name that He issues the death penalty in the Old Testament and He makes them equal to false teachers in impending judgment in the New Testament. (Waaaaait. The standard has changed? One one hand NT prophets must be 100% correct because Deuteronomy18:21-22, but for some reason, unexplained by the author, we no longer put false prophets to death as prescribed by Deuteronomy 18:20. 

Upon what basis does she assert that part of the standard is unchanged but another has changed? She picks and chooses what she believes, completely arbitrarily.)

Jesus calls false prophets ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing, (Where does the Bible say this? We know it does, but the author is supposed to be a Bible teacher. Why can't she tell us it's found in Mt. 7:15-20?)

and their fruit is bad. I praise God who grants mercy and repentance to those who would dare do such a thing. Be encouraged. You need not fear these presumptuous prophets.

Listen to this episode discussing some prophetic words for 2024 and comparing them to true prophecy in Scripture: The Lovesick Scribe Podcast: The Presumptuous Prophets of 2024 on Apple Podcasts