Republicans will cave.
B.R.: "this isn't a game of chicken, it's one guy driving, and another guy drives the wrong way in the other guy's lane, causing a head-on collision."
Me: I have no idea what you're talking about.
K.W.: Are you calling it Careless, Reckless or DUI Driving?
B.R.: I'd call it reckless endangerment.
Me: It is pretty reckless to endanger the country by refusing to fund government unless obamacare is also funded.
Me: Democrats have placed obamacare as more important than anything else government does. A peculiar choice.
B.R.: ...you mean that bill that was passed, approved by the Supreme Court, and has already started to go into effect? Yeah, how dare they enact that law, in the standard process for every law in the country.
Me: Slavery was affirmed in law and approved by the supreme court.
B.R.: Yes, when the country supported slavery. Then later, when it turned out slavery didn't work out so well for everyone, it was fought over, and abolished. Obamacare hasn't even started yet. It deserves to start before it's condemned. Really, how this gets retold as anything but sore losers dragging our national heels is beyond me.
Me: Are you really suggesting that it was justified to try slavery to see if it would work?
B.R.: Haha how did you read that as my suggestion? That's bizarre. I'm saying that there's a process we use as a country to determine whether something works or not, and it goes something like this: pass a law, enact a law, wait. Continue, amend, or abolish. I'm suggesting - nay, stating in point of fact - that no one, not even you, knows whether or not Obamacare will be good or bad for our country.
Me: Do you feel the same way about DOMA? It was duly passed.
B.R.: Sure, I accept history as history. I would have preferred homophobic bigotry go out of style much sooner than it did, but oh well. DOMA was duly passed, by congressmen who thought it was right for the country. Then it turned out it was wrong for the country, and now it's being dismantled accordingly. If Obamacare, enacted without obstruction or deliberate sabotage, really doesn't work, then let's change it until it does! But the method of the Republicans, to hold the budget hostage over a battle they've already lost and lost and lost again, is childish and hurtful. And ultimately pointless. We have to try the thing we passed before we condemn it or kill it.
Me: DOMA was working just fine.
B.R.: ...said the dude who was completely unaffected by DOMA.
Me: You applied a amorphous standard that isn't testable and is based on no legal precept. I simply made a determination that should be perfectly valid according to your criteria.
B.R.: Actually, your example proves my point. DOMA was passed, enacted, and now has been amended based on the findings of the Supreme Court. Obamacare was passed, should and will be enacted, and if it sucks, it'll be amended.
Me: But the house is continually criticized by the Left for voting 40 times to repeal, amend, or defund.
B.R.: Right. Because it already passed and has been verified as constitutional. Let it go into effect before condemning it or killing it.
Me: Ok, let me ask this: How many social programs have been repealed or even drastically scaled back?
B.R.: No idea.
Me: The same number as it will be after ACA is fully implemented: zero. That's why opponents are doing this now, because there is no chance it will be repealed. It's perfectly understandable why they're doing this, even if you favor the legislation. And since it's terrible legislation, I have a pipe dream they'll succeed.
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