W.R.: Treaties are the highest law of the land and that is a fact.
L.B.: On you're second paragraph Rich, it seems to me pre Clinton/ Bush , government regulations of Wall Street were pretty effective in limiting the influence. Instead of going a little further and keeping the lobbyist out of D.C., Clinton and B...ush start lifting regulations. Now the Watch Dogs are former board members of the super elite companies that lobby for less restrictions. The head of the FDA is a former board member of the second biggest poultry company in the country (don't get me started on that), and the list just went on and on. This is what needs to change and I hope President Obama is making steps to change this. I know in Indian country, under his administration, he's put key people in the right place and there has been movement and noticeable change for the better. This was never the case under any administration that I can remember for Indian country anyway. The key is getting rid of the lap dogs for the RICH and bringing back the Doberman to make sure they can't just play with people's hard earned retirements.See More
W.R.: Ok I guess what I am missing is what EXACTLY is it that you would like government to step out of? Would you like government to stop controlling crime? Would you like government to stop helping the less fortunate? Would you like government to stop protecting animals and the environment? Government needs to be more powerful to stop greed. If we had a society that had strong informal social control we wouldn't need our government to be so strong; but unfortunately we don't so we need strong government. We would like to believe that without government stepping in on things like affirmative action, everything would be hunky dory and minorities and poor people would still get into college. But the truth is that it did not happen until laws were passed to enforce it. Many churches and families fail to instill the type of social control their members children require to cause them to automatically want to do what is fair, right, and good. Instead, they perpetuate the individual "I" type thinking that allows them to feel justified when they step all over the poor and minority to take every job and then mock them for not being "hard-working" Americans.See More
W.R.: And I totally agree that money, lobbyists, and corporations have way too much power in government. So why are you so against Obama, who has tried to put the reins on some of that unbridled control by passing stricter laws on lobbying, elections, and has tried to put some controls on the take over of our government by Wall Street? I'm not saying he has succeeded but he has at least been trying to change these things. I don't really think you have adequately explained what it is about Obama and his policies or as you call it "Big Government"- as if we haven't had that all along with all the corporate welfare going on in the past administrations- why is it all of a sudden such a bad thing for the government to be involved? And for that matter, unless you are rich, why would you not be for the government putting more restrictions on the very corporations you rightly state have taken over government? I'm just kind of confused about your argument? I can't understand where you are coming from or going with your thinking any more than I can understand your Fox News cronies.
Me: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land..." Article 4.
"He (the President) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur..." Article 2, Section 2
Therefore, the Constitution CREATES the validity of treaties and elevates them to the highest law of the land.
Me: what lifted regulations are you referring to? Corporations, unions, and other monied interests have always held sway. The only thing limiting them has been the relative inability of government to pay them off with sweetheart deals.
Lobbyists are a symptom, not the problem. Lobbyists would have nothing to do if they could not pry dollars out of congress.
Me: The first time Obama's name came up was 6 minutes ago. I haven't commented on him.
Obama, like Bush and Clinton before him, is part of the problem, part of the system. D.C. is only interested in its own perpetuation, creating new ways to scam money from the people.
Any faith in any of these people is unwarranted.
Me: Government does not need to be more powerful to stop greed. Greed is not a matter of law, it is a matter of the human heart. Or are you telling me you are in favor of legislating morality?
Me: Government cannot remedy a failing societal structure, especially with more control and more laws. Laws only restrain moral people, the immoral will break laws.
Your arguments lead us to the conclusion that government should be our daddy, our god, and our church. Taxes are the tithe, and all the good we as individuals should be doing is transferred to government as its obligation.
I don't buy it. That is not the world I want to live in.
Me: I don't watch Fox News.
Friday, March 25, 2011
Facebook conversation, continued
Note the seeming inability of L.B. to follow a train of thought and present cogent arguments that are on-topic. My frustration shows through.
However, there is a ray of hope. W.R. comes through with some pointed, intelligent comments. Finally, someone who is thinking it through and making a case for their perspective using logic and reason!
L.B.: Constitution, that's a big joke. If the Constitution would have been followed back in 1776, Indians, Negros and woman would have been able to vote and would have had the same opportunities as every good white male.
Me: The Constitution was written in 1787, and it was ratified in 1789.
L.B.: Thanks for the correction.
Me: The Constitution did not prevent Indians, Negros and woman from voting.
L.B.: Constitution, that's a big joke. If the Constitution would have been followed back in 1789, Indians, Negros and woman would have been able to vote and would have had the same opportunities as every good white male.
Me: The constitution does not mention slavery, until the 13th amendment abolished it.
L.B.: See!!! That's what I'm saying, get off your damn High Horse now! You Christians these days are worse than the Pharisees that spit on Jesus. Don't even pretend like you know what I'm talking about. Hypocrites that try to pretend like America's past is squeaky clean and was formed by good religious people who were oppressed in Europe. And then you made this perfect country that had white picket fences and squeaky clean white churches.
Me: What??
L.B.: Yes you want to give me a history lesson yet you choose to ignore America's real past. The past you are longing to go back to. Pin point the exact time you want to go back to. Is it 2002, 1985, 1963, 1945, 1812, 1776 or maybe 1492? Work with me here.
Me: I'm not ignoring anything. There are some shameful things in America's past. If there is someone who has said different, I challenge you to provide the quote.
We are talking about the Constitution, not America's past.
You went off on some bizarre thing about Christians and Europe. Who knows what you're talking about?
L.B.: http://mountainmantrails.blogspot.com/
L.B.: W.R., check out the link above to find out who we're arguing with. He actually defended Dr. Laura...lol. He's also posting his debates with us. He's going to make us famous!!!!
Me: You are kept anonymous on my blog. I note for the record that you have yet to address my remarks.
L.B.: OK, I'll address one of your points. You stated above..... " When the U.S. was discovered is a matter of history and evidence." So what is the evidence and history? Tell us.
Me: This is extremely frustrating. Do you even know what we have been discussing for the past 4 or 5 hours? Why are you jumping back to something from way back on Monday, something written in a completely different context and a on different topic?
Let me help you out. "The Constitution did not prevent Indians, Negros and woman from voting." Or how about, "We are talking about the Constitution, not America's past."
Do you have some comments about these kinds of things, or not?
L.C.B.: The Constitution gave the right to vote to all of its legal citizens. Negros were not given citizenship until the 1860s, Women sufferage came at the turn of the 20th Century, Native Americans were not allowed citizenship until 1921. The dates I gave are not precise but you get my point. Please give me the article where the Constitution did not prevent Indians, Negros and women from voting?
Me: Hi. L.C.B. Show me in the Constitution, prior to the amendments, where anyone is given the right to vote: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
Me: Please note that I am referring to the Constitution itself, and not the body of law that may have existed at the time.
L.C.B.: Jo your accusation of Christianity not facing up to our history is wrong. You are making this charge on an assumption, and it shows how little you know about your Dad had his minstry, and the people I associate with. Rich has been nothing but supportive and encouraging to me and was active in generational repentance, and reconciliation back when I was in Bozeman.
L.B.: Woodrow Wilson, our President during World War I, once said: "A nation which does not remember what it was yesterday does not know what it is today, nor what it is trying to do."- Amen Brother, Amen! Got this one from your blog Rich
Me: L.C.B., I love you and your wife. You have been such a blessing in my life, and I am proud to call you "brother." May the God of our salvation pour out blessing upon you.
L.C.B.: The 14th Amendment, article two grants the right to vote, before that States had the power to regulate, voting seemed to be an implied right since they had to choose electors.
L.B.: Dad, I'm not trying to ruin your friendships and relationships. I'm simply engaged in a debate with Rich. He is trying to win the debate using exact literal definitions. He's defending the constitution as if it were written by God himself. I am attempting to point out to him that Beaver Cleaver is fiction as is the story of the Pilgrims. The history is what it is, no more, no less. He's blinded by right wing propaganda though.
Me: Exactly. The Constitution doesn't grant the right to vote at all, it is assumed. The 14th amendment had to codify the right to vote since states had discriminatory laws founded in racism.
Me: I'm pointing out what the Constitution says, L.B. You don't appear to know what it says. You also infer a whole lot of stuff I have never said.
I have challenged you repeatedly to address what I have said, but you persist in selecting random thoughts.
It is ironic that you would accuse me of being blinded by ideology when all you seem able to spout is left wing ideology. I'm guessing that the real problem we have here is that you don't like people disagreeing with you.
L.B.: 19th Amendment
Though the Constitution originally made no mention of a woman's right to vote, it was implied by society — women simply did not have the right. The 14th Amendment actually made things worse, by codifying the suffrage right to men only, when its Second Clause punished the denial of suffrage to men (though this still did not officially deny women the right). As early as 1848, groups met to discuss how to further women's rights, and the franchise, it was decided, was the best place to start. But America was not ready, and the suffragists, as they were called, were branded as immoral.
Famous women's rights leaders Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton tried to make a stand after the Civil War, to have the language of the 14th Amendment include women, though the issue was thought too volatile by most, and passage of the amendment was thought to be in grave jeopardy if such a provision were included. Anthony later used the 15th Amendment as rationale for voting in a New York election, and though she was tried and fined for voting, the ordeal proved an impetus for the eventual guarantee of voting rights for women. By 1918, about half the states had granted women full or partial voting rights; the stature gained by women involved in the temperance movement also helped push the suffragist movement along. The support of women to the war effort convinced many more, even President Woodrow Wilson, who had been staunchly opposed to a federal suffrage amendment. On June 4, 1919, the 19th Amendment was passed by Congress, and it was ratified on August 18, 1920 (441 days).
L.B.: Amendment 24 - Poll Tax Barred
1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress..., shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
This is essentially what gave Native Americans the right to vote. This is why the Town of Browning had white Mayors and a 90% Native population from 1919- 1964. Most Natives own another type of property that is held in trust by the U.S. Government and is not taxable to the State, County or any other municipality. If they lived on this type of property, they could not vote in State elections. This Amendment changed all that. Take that State of Montana!
S.G.: All human beings (men, women, any & all races) are born sinful & all cultures have some corruption so all governments of man are subject to this wicked nature until all of the people from the top on down are subject to Jesus. Yes even though many (not necessarily all) of the founders of the government did have christian roots. It's not much different than today in that just because someone says they are a christian doesn't make it so. Especially in politics where the candidate will often say whatever is popular to get the votes. When the whites did all of the wicked & terrible things that were done it was largely motivated by greed then too. There is nothing inherently wrong with the constitution just the people who ignore the parts they don't like & use it as they want to. The Bible is the perfect word of God, but many evils have been committed hiding behind religion (again sinful man using whatever is convenient to their sinful motives) But that is an whole other can of worms. : D
L.C.B.: Interesting, so we all learn something and read the Constitution to boot
W.R.: Rich...on the one hand u claim going back to the almighty original constitution is the answer...and we all know what and whom the Framers had in mind when they wrote the document. On the other hand u point out that in the face of people and their actions the Constitution is meaningless ...law and govt are social constructions defined by the people. The people starving during the Great Depression defined it and they got unions, workers rights, social security and welfare. The people of the civil rights era defined it and helped bring equality and protections for all of us. The protections these people fought for are exactly what most people who say they are against Big Govt are for while they so piously sit in church and pretend that they are for the poor and downtrodden from whose very children they wish to take food, healthcare, and education!
W.R.: At one point we had laissez fairre type government and where did it get us? Bush and clinton nearly brought down the economy with "less govt/more deregulation" thinking. Now that is a matter of history and fact...very recent history and... fact!
And if u really believe govt shouldn't regulate morality...let's start with abolishing laws against same sex marriage, abortion, drugs, and in fact any other crime ... Why is it ok to regulate those "sins" but not unbridled thievery and greed on Wall Street? Laws are passed to control those who can't live within the accepted rules of society.
What exactly IS your point...your goal in this debate Rich because YOU seem to get upset when the holes in your argument are pointed out.
W.R.: To correct my statement below... I meant to say that saying u r against Big Govt is code for "I don't want to help the poor and I don't think inequality should be addressed because me and mine are just fine." WWJD???
Me: W.R., Thank you for the insightful and provocative comments. Wow, I have been waiting for such a response. I'll try to address all of your points as I get time.
First, I did not claim that going back the ORIGINAL Constitution was the answer. I claimed that returning government to its constitutional limits was the answer. The problem: Government is too powerful and corruptible. Corporations and special interests want to influence that power. Solution: Remove the government's ability to give payoffs to its corporate cronies and powerful interests by removing its ability to exceed its constitutional authority.
Second, the Constitution is only as meaningful as any other law, to the extent it is obeyed. The Constutition is the highest law of the land. It creates, defines, and limits government. It must be obeyed, or if it is found wanting, it must be amended. It cannot be ignored.
Me: Again, the Constitution is about government. It only mentions the rights of the people in passing as it describes the limits of government, i.e., "Congress shall make no law..." This amendment does not grant us free speech or freedom of assembly, it tells government what it cannot do!
Our rights pre-exist government. The Declaration says they are unalienable (cannot be separated), endowed by our creator. Government's job is to "secure" our rights (make them safe).
So, the injustices perpetrated over the course of the history of this country are in direct violation of its founding principles and founding documents.
However, there is a ray of hope. W.R. comes through with some pointed, intelligent comments. Finally, someone who is thinking it through and making a case for their perspective using logic and reason!
L.B.: Constitution, that's a big joke. If the Constitution would have been followed back in 1776, Indians, Negros and woman would have been able to vote and would have had the same opportunities as every good white male.
Me: The Constitution was written in 1787, and it was ratified in 1789.
L.B.: Thanks for the correction.
Me: The Constitution did not prevent Indians, Negros and woman from voting.
L.B.: Constitution, that's a big joke. If the Constitution would have been followed back in 1789, Indians, Negros and woman would have been able to vote and would have had the same opportunities as every good white male.
Me: The constitution does not mention slavery, until the 13th amendment abolished it.
L.B.: See!!! That's what I'm saying, get off your damn High Horse now! You Christians these days are worse than the Pharisees that spit on Jesus. Don't even pretend like you know what I'm talking about. Hypocrites that try to pretend like America's past is squeaky clean and was formed by good religious people who were oppressed in Europe. And then you made this perfect country that had white picket fences and squeaky clean white churches.
Me: What??
L.B.: Yes you want to give me a history lesson yet you choose to ignore America's real past. The past you are longing to go back to. Pin point the exact time you want to go back to. Is it 2002, 1985, 1963, 1945, 1812, 1776 or maybe 1492? Work with me here.
Me: I'm not ignoring anything. There are some shameful things in America's past. If there is someone who has said different, I challenge you to provide the quote.
We are talking about the Constitution, not America's past.
You went off on some bizarre thing about Christians and Europe. Who knows what you're talking about?
L.B.: http://mountainmantrails.blogspot.com/
L.B.: W.R., check out the link above to find out who we're arguing with. He actually defended Dr. Laura...lol. He's also posting his debates with us. He's going to make us famous!!!!
Me: You are kept anonymous on my blog. I note for the record that you have yet to address my remarks.
L.B.: OK, I'll address one of your points. You stated above..... " When the U.S. was discovered is a matter of history and evidence." So what is the evidence and history? Tell us.
Me: This is extremely frustrating. Do you even know what we have been discussing for the past 4 or 5 hours? Why are you jumping back to something from way back on Monday, something written in a completely different context and a on different topic?
Let me help you out. "The Constitution did not prevent Indians, Negros and woman from voting." Or how about, "We are talking about the Constitution, not America's past."
Do you have some comments about these kinds of things, or not?
L.C.B.: The Constitution gave the right to vote to all of its legal citizens. Negros were not given citizenship until the 1860s, Women sufferage came at the turn of the 20th Century, Native Americans were not allowed citizenship until 1921. The dates I gave are not precise but you get my point. Please give me the article where the Constitution did not prevent Indians, Negros and women from voting?
Me: Hi. L.C.B. Show me in the Constitution, prior to the amendments, where anyone is given the right to vote: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
Me: Please note that I am referring to the Constitution itself, and not the body of law that may have existed at the time.
L.C.B.: Jo your accusation of Christianity not facing up to our history is wrong. You are making this charge on an assumption, and it shows how little you know about your Dad had his minstry, and the people I associate with. Rich has been nothing but supportive and encouraging to me and was active in generational repentance, and reconciliation back when I was in Bozeman.
L.B.: Woodrow Wilson, our President during World War I, once said: "A nation which does not remember what it was yesterday does not know what it is today, nor what it is trying to do."- Amen Brother, Amen! Got this one from your blog Rich
Me: L.C.B., I love you and your wife. You have been such a blessing in my life, and I am proud to call you "brother." May the God of our salvation pour out blessing upon you.
L.C.B.: The 14th Amendment, article two grants the right to vote, before that States had the power to regulate, voting seemed to be an implied right since they had to choose electors.
L.B.: Dad, I'm not trying to ruin your friendships and relationships. I'm simply engaged in a debate with Rich. He is trying to win the debate using exact literal definitions. He's defending the constitution as if it were written by God himself. I am attempting to point out to him that Beaver Cleaver is fiction as is the story of the Pilgrims. The history is what it is, no more, no less. He's blinded by right wing propaganda though.
Me: Exactly. The Constitution doesn't grant the right to vote at all, it is assumed. The 14th amendment had to codify the right to vote since states had discriminatory laws founded in racism.
Me: I'm pointing out what the Constitution says, L.B. You don't appear to know what it says. You also infer a whole lot of stuff I have never said.
I have challenged you repeatedly to address what I have said, but you persist in selecting random thoughts.
It is ironic that you would accuse me of being blinded by ideology when all you seem able to spout is left wing ideology. I'm guessing that the real problem we have here is that you don't like people disagreeing with you.
L.B.: 19th Amendment
Though the Constitution originally made no mention of a woman's right to vote, it was implied by society — women simply did not have the right. The 14th Amendment actually made things worse, by codifying the suffrage right to men only, when its Second Clause punished the denial of suffrage to men (though this still did not officially deny women the right). As early as 1848, groups met to discuss how to further women's rights, and the franchise, it was decided, was the best place to start. But America was not ready, and the suffragists, as they were called, were branded as immoral.
Famous women's rights leaders Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton tried to make a stand after the Civil War, to have the language of the 14th Amendment include women, though the issue was thought too volatile by most, and passage of the amendment was thought to be in grave jeopardy if such a provision were included. Anthony later used the 15th Amendment as rationale for voting in a New York election, and though she was tried and fined for voting, the ordeal proved an impetus for the eventual guarantee of voting rights for women. By 1918, about half the states had granted women full or partial voting rights; the stature gained by women involved in the temperance movement also helped push the suffragist movement along. The support of women to the war effort convinced many more, even President Woodrow Wilson, who had been staunchly opposed to a federal suffrage amendment. On June 4, 1919, the 19th Amendment was passed by Congress, and it was ratified on August 18, 1920 (441 days).
L.B.: Amendment 24 - Poll Tax Barred
1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress..., shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
This is essentially what gave Native Americans the right to vote. This is why the Town of Browning had white Mayors and a 90% Native population from 1919- 1964. Most Natives own another type of property that is held in trust by the U.S. Government and is not taxable to the State, County or any other municipality. If they lived on this type of property, they could not vote in State elections. This Amendment changed all that. Take that State of Montana!
S.G.: All human beings (men, women, any & all races) are born sinful & all cultures have some corruption so all governments of man are subject to this wicked nature until all of the people from the top on down are subject to Jesus. Yes even though many (not necessarily all) of the founders of the government did have christian roots. It's not much different than today in that just because someone says they are a christian doesn't make it so. Especially in politics where the candidate will often say whatever is popular to get the votes. When the whites did all of the wicked & terrible things that were done it was largely motivated by greed then too. There is nothing inherently wrong with the constitution just the people who ignore the parts they don't like & use it as they want to. The Bible is the perfect word of God, but many evils have been committed hiding behind religion (again sinful man using whatever is convenient to their sinful motives) But that is an whole other can of worms. : D
L.C.B.: Interesting, so we all learn something and read the Constitution to boot
W.R.: Rich...on the one hand u claim going back to the almighty original constitution is the answer...and we all know what and whom the Framers had in mind when they wrote the document. On the other hand u point out that in the face of people and their actions the Constitution is meaningless ...law and govt are social constructions defined by the people. The people starving during the Great Depression defined it and they got unions, workers rights, social security and welfare. The people of the civil rights era defined it and helped bring equality and protections for all of us. The protections these people fought for are exactly what most people who say they are against Big Govt are for while they so piously sit in church and pretend that they are for the poor and downtrodden from whose very children they wish to take food, healthcare, and education!
W.R.: At one point we had laissez fairre type government and where did it get us? Bush and clinton nearly brought down the economy with "less govt/more deregulation" thinking. Now that is a matter of history and fact...very recent history and... fact!
And if u really believe govt shouldn't regulate morality...let's start with abolishing laws against same sex marriage, abortion, drugs, and in fact any other crime ... Why is it ok to regulate those "sins" but not unbridled thievery and greed on Wall Street? Laws are passed to control those who can't live within the accepted rules of society.
What exactly IS your point...your goal in this debate Rich because YOU seem to get upset when the holes in your argument are pointed out.
W.R.: To correct my statement below... I meant to say that saying u r against Big Govt is code for "I don't want to help the poor and I don't think inequality should be addressed because me and mine are just fine." WWJD???
Me: W.R., Thank you for the insightful and provocative comments. Wow, I have been waiting for such a response. I'll try to address all of your points as I get time.
First, I did not claim that going back the ORIGINAL Constitution was the answer. I claimed that returning government to its constitutional limits was the answer. The problem: Government is too powerful and corruptible. Corporations and special interests want to influence that power. Solution: Remove the government's ability to give payoffs to its corporate cronies and powerful interests by removing its ability to exceed its constitutional authority.
Second, the Constitution is only as meaningful as any other law, to the extent it is obeyed. The Constutition is the highest law of the land. It creates, defines, and limits government. It must be obeyed, or if it is found wanting, it must be amended. It cannot be ignored.
Me: Again, the Constitution is about government. It only mentions the rights of the people in passing as it describes the limits of government, i.e., "Congress shall make no law..." This amendment does not grant us free speech or freedom of assembly, it tells government what it cannot do!
Our rights pre-exist government. The Declaration says they are unalienable (cannot be separated), endowed by our creator. Government's job is to "secure" our rights (make them safe).
So, the injustices perpetrated over the course of the history of this country are in direct violation of its founding principles and founding documents.
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
The "Broken Window Fallacy" Via Walter E. Williams
French economist Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) explained, "There is only one difference between a bad economist and a good one: the bad economist confines himself to the visible effect; the good economist takes into account both the effect that can be seen and those effects that must be foreseen."
Bastiat elaborated further in his "Broken Window Fallacy" parable where a vandal smashes a shopkeeper's window. A crowd forms, sympathizing with the shopkeeper. Soon, someone in the crowd suggests that instead of a tragedy, there might be a silver lining. Instead of the boy being a vandal, he was a public benefactor, creating economic benefits for everyone in town. Fixing the broken window creates employment for the glazier, who will then buy bread and benefit the baker, who will then buy shoes and benefit the cobbler and so forth.
Bastiat says that's what's seen. What is not seen is what the shopkeeper would have done with the money had his window not been smashed. He might have purchased a suit from the tailor. Therefore, an act that created a job for the glazier destroyed a job for the tailor. On top of that, had the property destruction not occurred, the shopkeeper would have had a suit and a window. Now he has just a window and as a result, he is poorer.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=278217#ixzz1HR8j3JN2
Bastiat elaborated further in his "Broken Window Fallacy" parable where a vandal smashes a shopkeeper's window. A crowd forms, sympathizing with the shopkeeper. Soon, someone in the crowd suggests that instead of a tragedy, there might be a silver lining. Instead of the boy being a vandal, he was a public benefactor, creating economic benefits for everyone in town. Fixing the broken window creates employment for the glazier, who will then buy bread and benefit the baker, who will then buy shoes and benefit the cobbler and so forth.
Bastiat says that's what's seen. What is not seen is what the shopkeeper would have done with the money had his window not been smashed. He might have purchased a suit from the tailor. Therefore, an act that created a job for the glazier destroyed a job for the tailor. On top of that, had the property destruction not occurred, the shopkeeper would have had a suit and a window. Now he has just a window and as a result, he is poorer.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=278217#ixzz1HR8j3JN2
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Charlie Sykes - Piggybank
This guy says it better than I could:
My 401K is down 40%, my employer just cut the match; and it looks like I may have work until I’m 70 years old. I also pay for pensions to public employees who retired in their 50s.
I don’t have enough money to go on vacation this year, but I paid my share of the federal government’s $2.6 million grant to teach Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly. I pay for bridges to nowhere.
I drive a 1997 Honda Accord, but I had to pay for my neighbor’s $41,000 electric car. I also bailed out the United Auto Workers.
I contribute to my children’s 529 college savings plan, but since I don’t qualify for financial aid I pay for other people’s kids to go to school as well. I also pay for the sociology classes where I am sneered at for my lack of social conscience and denounced as the very essence of greed, racism and environmental insensitivity.
I exercise regularly, watch my cholesterol, and pay for my own health insurance as well as copays and deductibles. I also pay for Other People’s tonsillectomies, appendectomies and occasional rhinoplasties. I pay taxes for Medicare, Medicaid and for various medical programs for poor children and now I will get to subsidize the health care of several million more non-elderly, non-impoverished Americans.
My small business just lost its line of credit, but I paid to bail out Citigroup, AIG, and Goldman Sachs, whose executives get bonuses bigger than my entire net worth.
I pay my mortgage, but I also pay to bail out banks who made risky loans and yuppies, who have trouble paying $700,000 mortgages on their McMansions they bought with no-down payment, adjustable rate deals.
I pay for groceries for my family, but also pay millionaire farmers not grow stuff like rice. I buy dinner for more than 41 million food stamp recipients (although, they now call it Food Shares.). I also pay for school lunches. And breakfasts, since others parents apparently can’t be expected to feed their kids. I get to have red meat once a week, but I get to pay for urban hipsters to buy organic salmon at Whole Foods.
I pay my electricity and gas bills, but I also pay for other people’s air conditioning, cell phones, digital televisions, new windows, subsidized rent, and remodeling,
I pay for my daughter’s ballet lessons, but also pay for universities to develop computerized choreography programs that will help develop “interactive dance performances with real-time audience interactions.” I probably won’t be able to make the show, since I’ll be working.
I’m trying to save enough money in case I lose my job, but I pay for more than 70 different means-tested poverty programs
Because I work hard and am successful, I am in the 10% of Americans, who now pay more than 71 percent of the total federal income tax burden. The top 50 percent of earners pay 97.11 percent. In others words, the bottom half of American earners– theoretically 50 percent of the electorate – pay less than 3 percent of federal income taxes. I pay for them.
I pay property taxes, sales, excise taxes, taxes on my phone, my cable, my water; state income taxes, Social security and Medicare taxes. I also help pay the bills for the nearly half of households who no longer pay any federal income tax. I also pay the bills for the 60 to 70 percent of households who receive more from the government than they pay in.
I expect no gratitude for any of this; it has been years since the term “provider” was a matter of societal respect and personal pride. I understand that the transfer of wealth from makers to takers is seen as morally purer than the efforts of those who created wealth in the first place.
I know my role.
I am the piggybank.
Copyright 2011 Charles J. Sykes, from my upcoming book, A Nation of Moochers, from St. Martin’s Press.
My 401K is down 40%, my employer just cut the match; and it looks like I may have work until I’m 70 years old. I also pay for pensions to public employees who retired in their 50s.
I don’t have enough money to go on vacation this year, but I paid my share of the federal government’s $2.6 million grant to teach Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly. I pay for bridges to nowhere.
I drive a 1997 Honda Accord, but I had to pay for my neighbor’s $41,000 electric car. I also bailed out the United Auto Workers.
I contribute to my children’s 529 college savings plan, but since I don’t qualify for financial aid I pay for other people’s kids to go to school as well. I also pay for the sociology classes where I am sneered at for my lack of social conscience and denounced as the very essence of greed, racism and environmental insensitivity.
I exercise regularly, watch my cholesterol, and pay for my own health insurance as well as copays and deductibles. I also pay for Other People’s tonsillectomies, appendectomies and occasional rhinoplasties. I pay taxes for Medicare, Medicaid and for various medical programs for poor children and now I will get to subsidize the health care of several million more non-elderly, non-impoverished Americans.
My small business just lost its line of credit, but I paid to bail out Citigroup, AIG, and Goldman Sachs, whose executives get bonuses bigger than my entire net worth.
I pay my mortgage, but I also pay to bail out banks who made risky loans and yuppies, who have trouble paying $700,000 mortgages on their McMansions they bought with no-down payment, adjustable rate deals.
I pay for groceries for my family, but also pay millionaire farmers not grow stuff like rice. I buy dinner for more than 41 million food stamp recipients (although, they now call it Food Shares.). I also pay for school lunches. And breakfasts, since others parents apparently can’t be expected to feed their kids. I get to have red meat once a week, but I get to pay for urban hipsters to buy organic salmon at Whole Foods.
I pay my electricity and gas bills, but I also pay for other people’s air conditioning, cell phones, digital televisions, new windows, subsidized rent, and remodeling,
I pay for my daughter’s ballet lessons, but also pay for universities to develop computerized choreography programs that will help develop “interactive dance performances with real-time audience interactions.” I probably won’t be able to make the show, since I’ll be working.
I’m trying to save enough money in case I lose my job, but I pay for more than 70 different means-tested poverty programs
Because I work hard and am successful, I am in the 10% of Americans, who now pay more than 71 percent of the total federal income tax burden. The top 50 percent of earners pay 97.11 percent. In others words, the bottom half of American earners– theoretically 50 percent of the electorate – pay less than 3 percent of federal income taxes. I pay for them.
I pay property taxes, sales, excise taxes, taxes on my phone, my cable, my water; state income taxes, Social security and Medicare taxes. I also help pay the bills for the nearly half of households who no longer pay any federal income tax. I also pay the bills for the 60 to 70 percent of households who receive more from the government than they pay in.
I expect no gratitude for any of this; it has been years since the term “provider” was a matter of societal respect and personal pride. I understand that the transfer of wealth from makers to takers is seen as morally purer than the efforts of those who created wealth in the first place.
I know my role.
I am the piggybank.
Copyright 2011 Charles J. Sykes, from my upcoming book, A Nation of Moochers, from St. Martin’s Press.
Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Editorial, problems in the church
I have been very critical of government in my columns. Government is a target-rich environment and deserves scrutiny. It is a juggernaut, and we tend to think we can’t do anything about it. So, my columns give voice to those who are reluctant to speak up and risk the vociferous attacks from the political left.
In my last column I discussed the problem of the government church. Today I want to share some random thoughts regarding problems in the Christian Church. However, I won’t pile onto the hostile caricatures created by the irreligious. We know how kooky and bizarre some of the criticisms tend to be. No, I’m going to write about the Church as a believer.
Don’t be surprised. I have already criticized the Church for being tax-exempt. A few months ago I wrote, “Churches should drop their tax-exempt status -- they are exchanging silence on politics for a payoff.” Churches should throw off the government yoke and speak freely about sin and redemption.
In the past I have complained that government has stolen our individual obligation for charity by inserting itself into the compassion equation. I hereby retract this. Actually, the Church ceded its obligations and allowed government to take them over. The Church said nothing when the government became a competitor. And now their silence is enforced via tax law. Talk about a deal with the devil!
Recently I learned that a local pastor makes good money in a relatively small church. I wonder how this congregation justifies a salary that is double the average income of its parishioners. I also wonder if there is much money left for looking after “…orphans and widows in their distress…” This is one of the primary missions of the Church, but so many pastors take the lion’s share of their church’s money.
I’ve noticed that some local churches have built beautiful new facilities. I’m sure that these were undertaken in good faith by well-meaning congregations. But would it be impolite to ask what percentage of their budgets are devoted to the poor? I’m hoping it is a substantial number, but I’ve been on more than one church board in my life and know that this is not always the case.
A local church just sold its building. Good people there. But what if they decided to take their building fund and minister to the disadvantaged instead? “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
Another local church had its pastor retire. Again, all top notch people. But are they absolutely sure that they need to hire a replacement, or is it in the realm of possibility that they don't need a professional, that the talent and gifts already in the congregation are sufficient to meet every need?
One last thing bothers me: Democracy in the Church. We all know that the Founders of our country regarded democracy as an undesirable form of government akin to tyranny, so why would the Church want to be democratic? The early church made its decisions with prayer and fasting in the counsel of the elders. There is no biblical mention of the Church voting on anything.
None of this is intended as condemnation. I have been to many, many churches in the valley, and the caliber of people is remarkable in each and every one. All I'm suggesting is perhaps there are alternatives to doing church business as usual.
If the Church truly wants to be a moving force in society, it needs to embrace its call to be salt and light. If it wants to make a difference, let it be a voice of righteousness and purity. The Church has hid inside its buildings for too long. It is fact that when the church is active in the world, the world is a better place.
In my last column I discussed the problem of the government church. Today I want to share some random thoughts regarding problems in the Christian Church. However, I won’t pile onto the hostile caricatures created by the irreligious. We know how kooky and bizarre some of the criticisms tend to be. No, I’m going to write about the Church as a believer.
Don’t be surprised. I have already criticized the Church for being tax-exempt. A few months ago I wrote, “Churches should drop their tax-exempt status -- they are exchanging silence on politics for a payoff.” Churches should throw off the government yoke and speak freely about sin and redemption.
In the past I have complained that government has stolen our individual obligation for charity by inserting itself into the compassion equation. I hereby retract this. Actually, the Church ceded its obligations and allowed government to take them over. The Church said nothing when the government became a competitor. And now their silence is enforced via tax law. Talk about a deal with the devil!
Recently I learned that a local pastor makes good money in a relatively small church. I wonder how this congregation justifies a salary that is double the average income of its parishioners. I also wonder if there is much money left for looking after “…orphans and widows in their distress…” This is one of the primary missions of the Church, but so many pastors take the lion’s share of their church’s money.
I’ve noticed that some local churches have built beautiful new facilities. I’m sure that these were undertaken in good faith by well-meaning congregations. But would it be impolite to ask what percentage of their budgets are devoted to the poor? I’m hoping it is a substantial number, but I’ve been on more than one church board in my life and know that this is not always the case.
A local church just sold its building. Good people there. But what if they decided to take their building fund and minister to the disadvantaged instead? “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
Another local church had its pastor retire. Again, all top notch people. But are they absolutely sure that they need to hire a replacement, or is it in the realm of possibility that they don't need a professional, that the talent and gifts already in the congregation are sufficient to meet every need?
One last thing bothers me: Democracy in the Church. We all know that the Founders of our country regarded democracy as an undesirable form of government akin to tyranny, so why would the Church want to be democratic? The early church made its decisions with prayer and fasting in the counsel of the elders. There is no biblical mention of the Church voting on anything.
None of this is intended as condemnation. I have been to many, many churches in the valley, and the caliber of people is remarkable in each and every one. All I'm suggesting is perhaps there are alternatives to doing church business as usual.
If the Church truly wants to be a moving force in society, it needs to embrace its call to be salt and light. If it wants to make a difference, let it be a voice of righteousness and purity. The Church has hid inside its buildings for too long. It is fact that when the church is active in the world, the world is a better place.
Tuesday, March 1, 2011
Bad worship songs - For Your Glory
From time to to we examine the lyrics of worship songs. Our desire is not to mock or humiliate, but rather to honestly examine content with a view to calling forth a better worship expression.
With the great volume and variety of worship music available, none of us should have to settle for bad worship songs. We should be able to select hundreds or even thousands of top notch songs very easily.
What makes a song a worship song? Is it enough to contain words like God or holy? How about vaguely spiritual sounding phrases? Should Jesus be mentioned?
We think an excellent worship song should contain the following elements:
With the great volume and variety of worship music available, none of us should have to settle for bad worship songs. We should be able to select hundreds or even thousands of top notch songs very easily.
What makes a song a worship song? Is it enough to contain words like God or holy? How about vaguely spiritual sounding phrases? Should Jesus be mentioned?
We think an excellent worship song should contain the following elements:
- A direct expression of adoration (God, you are...)
- A progression of ideas that culminates in a coherent story
- A focus on God, not us
- Lyrics that do not create uncertainty or cause confusion
- A certain amount of profundity
- A singable, interesting melody
- Allusions to Scripture
- Doctrinal soundness
- Not excessively metaphorical
- Not excessively repetitive
- Jesus is not your boyfriend
It's worth noting the most worship songs contain at least something good. That is, there might be a musical idea or a lyric that has merit.
Here are the words to a song we did recently in church. I sent the following analysis to the leadership, since I wasn't quite sure about the song's message.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011
Editorial, the government church
I sometimes get exasperated at the tactics of churches. They want my money and to control what I do. They always need more in the offering plate, and they have this endless list of rules, telling me how to live my life.
Wait, did I say churches? Excuse me, I meant government. Is there any doubt that our government resembles the worst kind of caricature of a money-grubbing, overbearing church? Indeed, government has become preoccupied with extracting our money and changing our behavior.
Here’s what I mean. On the radio this morning was a torrent of advertising by various government agencies. There was FBI this week (fbi.gov), warning us about health insurance fraud. And boosterseat.gov, brought to us by the DOT, wants us to know how important it is to secure our children in the car.
HHS has a list of medical tests that will help keep you from dying prematurely. They are also running humorous spots about how eating healthy and exercising will get rid of thunder thighs and double chins.
There is also a barrage of ads about “buzzed driving is drunk driving,” paid for by ahrq.gov, an agency of the DOT. These ads are on day after day, all paid for by your tax dollars, brought to you by a government awash in red ink.
So here’s the tactics of behavioral change. First government gives us helpful information and reminders. Then they cajole. After that comes the guilt. Finally, laws get passed. It’s creeping tyranny, and it’s all because they know better than you how you should lead your life.
This is the nanny state. Government bureaucrats are so sure you don’t know how to make good choices that they are happy to tell you over and over again what they think you should do. And as a bonus they make you pay for it all.
Taxation also intends to make us do things. Certainly taxes are necessary, but taxation is becoming a bludgeon to achieve societal outcomes. Carbon taxes, gas taxes, booze taxes, tobacco taxes. All these are designed to change behavior. Same with tax credits. The Homebuyers Tax Credit is to encourage homebuying. The Cash for Clunkers program? Increase car sales. And the tax credit for buying a hybrid? To save the planet, right?
None of this has anything to do with funding government operations. It has everything to do with making you behave in certain ways.
It’s death by a thousand cuts. It is manipulation, the goal of which is to influence the behavior of people to achieve certain outcomes for the “good” of society. Their version of “good.”
Government has gone from securing our rights to being actively involved in shaping society. We have a new Savior. Sorry Jesus, you’re not needed anymore. Government is going to save the economy, it’s going to save the planet, it’s going to save us from eeeevil CEOs. And yes, it’s going to save you from your pathetic self.
Despite all this, so many are willing to go along with it all. It makes me wonder, what ever happened to the protestors from the 60s? You know, the ones who bucked the establishment, who stood up against the entrenched power structure, who fought the Man. Where did they all go?
There are people who wouldn’t darken the door of a church, but are perfectly willing to bow before government. They bristle at a Christian telling them what they are doing might be wrong, but more than happy to have the government dictate to them what they can and cannot do.
So welcome to the great church of government, where taxes are the tithe, voting is the confessional, and congress is the priesthood. You get the church you pay for.
Wait, did I say churches? Excuse me, I meant government. Is there any doubt that our government resembles the worst kind of caricature of a money-grubbing, overbearing church? Indeed, government has become preoccupied with extracting our money and changing our behavior.
Here’s what I mean. On the radio this morning was a torrent of advertising by various government agencies. There was FBI this week (fbi.gov), warning us about health insurance fraud. And boosterseat.gov, brought to us by the DOT, wants us to know how important it is to secure our children in the car.
HHS has a list of medical tests that will help keep you from dying prematurely. They are also running humorous spots about how eating healthy and exercising will get rid of thunder thighs and double chins.
There is also a barrage of ads about “buzzed driving is drunk driving,” paid for by ahrq.gov, an agency of the DOT. These ads are on day after day, all paid for by your tax dollars, brought to you by a government awash in red ink.
So here’s the tactics of behavioral change. First government gives us helpful information and reminders. Then they cajole. After that comes the guilt. Finally, laws get passed. It’s creeping tyranny, and it’s all because they know better than you how you should lead your life.
This is the nanny state. Government bureaucrats are so sure you don’t know how to make good choices that they are happy to tell you over and over again what they think you should do. And as a bonus they make you pay for it all.
Taxation also intends to make us do things. Certainly taxes are necessary, but taxation is becoming a bludgeon to achieve societal outcomes. Carbon taxes, gas taxes, booze taxes, tobacco taxes. All these are designed to change behavior. Same with tax credits. The Homebuyers Tax Credit is to encourage homebuying. The Cash for Clunkers program? Increase car sales. And the tax credit for buying a hybrid? To save the planet, right?
None of this has anything to do with funding government operations. It has everything to do with making you behave in certain ways.
It’s death by a thousand cuts. It is manipulation, the goal of which is to influence the behavior of people to achieve certain outcomes for the “good” of society. Their version of “good.”
Government has gone from securing our rights to being actively involved in shaping society. We have a new Savior. Sorry Jesus, you’re not needed anymore. Government is going to save the economy, it’s going to save the planet, it’s going to save us from eeeevil CEOs. And yes, it’s going to save you from your pathetic self.
Despite all this, so many are willing to go along with it all. It makes me wonder, what ever happened to the protestors from the 60s? You know, the ones who bucked the establishment, who stood up against the entrenched power structure, who fought the Man. Where did they all go?
There are people who wouldn’t darken the door of a church, but are perfectly willing to bow before government. They bristle at a Christian telling them what they are doing might be wrong, but more than happy to have the government dictate to them what they can and cannot do.
So welcome to the great church of government, where taxes are the tithe, voting is the confessional, and congress is the priesthood. You get the church you pay for.
Friday, February 18, 2011
Global warming facebook discussion
From minnesotaindependent.com:
"Rep. Mike Beard (R-Shakopee) is pushing for more new coal-fired power plants in Minnesota, but the Shakopee Republican is undeterred by reports about the effects of carbon-emitting energy production on global warming. His reason: He believes God will prevent the planet from running out of fossil fuel..."
JB: Oy Vey!
AE: Half the continent was buried in snow a few weeks ago. Yep, the world is warming up! Hurry up, people! Reduce your carbon emissions exponentially by holding your breath until you expire.
SB: AE, don't be so disingenuous. Despite all that snow, 2010 was the second warmest year on record. And you probably KNEW that.
AE: On record since when? Was someone keeping track 100,000 years ago? Or a million? Or a billion? Just curious where the benchmark comes from.
SB: Andrew, don't be deliberately ignorant. I refuse to argue with fools.
NS: You the man. Deliberate Ignorance is the last stronghold of the defeated.
SB: I've wasted WAAAAAY too many hours "arguing" this topic with people on other forums, to bother here. Anyone who knows enough to ask these questions, knows enough to know that they are red herrings. And I'm just tired of playing. ...
If you want to be taken seriously, be serious.
NS: Incidently how does a guy that spends his day thinking (which I understand is the most basic form of your job (TOTALLY AWESOME)) manage to give a crap about politics? I can't seem to spend more than 8 seconds talking/thinking about it without losing all my faith in humanity, gaining a desire to drink myself to death, and trying to forget that I have an opinion anyways. I mean HOW DO YOU LIVE? I need some help on that one man I really do I respect you for it but I can't understand it.
SB: the truth is, Neil, I've become far less political than I was back when I actually was an elected official (in my late teens/early 20's, I was elected a couple of times to local school boards, just like Michael Moore -- in fact, Michael was... in a young school board member's caucus that I helped to start, back before he started making movies).
I think that time in office gave me some perspective -- for one, I was quite a bit more liberal then than now, and had to represent people who DIDN'T vote for me, as well as those who did. So I learned a certain detachment from my own views, at least for purposes of argument sake.
In the end, though, the main factor is that I grew up with a father who was to the right of Ronald Reagan on many issues, while I was a socialist (and the criteria for being a socialist then were a lot tougher than merely voting Democratic). We argued politics incessantly, but we always ended our arguments as friends. He taught me to value character over beliefs, which is why I tend to get more upset over HOW someone presents their beliefs than what they actually think. If they can argue honestly, with an understanding of their own biases, and without name calling or TOO much hyperbole..I'll be happy to talk with them.
Mind you, I don't always live up to my own standards, but that's what I aspire to.
JC: 'Global Warming' is nothing more than poor marketing...had they called it 'Global Climate Change' from the start there would be far fewer arguments.
SB: maybe. But I doubt it.
JC: Yeah...who am I kidding...there will always be someone that thinks that the sight of snow or frost on a window throws the whole 'warming' argument out of the window.
AE: What is ignorant about wanting to know where the benchmark comes from? Seriously. Honest question. How far can we go back with temperature records?
Me: the 1880s.
AE: Thanks Rich. So let's see, if I use a scientifically conservative guesstimate that the Earth is about 200 million years old, that means we've been keeping an accurate record of temperatures for about .00000065 % of the Earth's life.
JC: But Andrew...the bible says that the Earth is only thousands of years old
Me: Very few people believe the earth is young. It is dishonest to suggest that there are only two choices.
SB: Rich is right, instrument-based temperature records go back about 130 years. Proxy records (measured indirectly through a variety of methods, of highly varying degrees of reliability) can be developed to take us back as far as you'd like to trust the science. Let's say, for sake of argument, a couple hundred thousand years (though we have insights into earlier climates as well).
So when I say "warmest on record," I mean during the 130 years in which temperature data has been collected by instruments.
It is not any one set of temperature data, however, that give reason for concern. It's the convergence of theory and observation that point to man made climate change. In fact, any valid argument that the earth ISN'T warming due to man made causes, needs to explain why not -- because there are provable reasons why it should, established by Arrehnius (a chemist) nearly 120 years ago and based entirely on physical properties of CO2 and other gases that are known to several significant digits.
To date, nobody's come up with a sound explanation that takes into account both the current warming trend, AND factors in what we know to be true about CO2's impact in the atmosphere, other than the anthropogenic global warming model.
until they do, the way that science works is that you have that first burden of proof to meet, before you can be taken very seriously. If your theory doesn't do at LEAST as good a job of explaining what we observe and know as the current theory, it's not a very good one.
JC: No shit Sherlock
SB: 200 million years is not scientifically conservative. It's non-scientific. The current estimate is in the 4.5 billion year range. Shaving off 4 billion years from that isn't being "scientifically conservative" but rather just ignoring science.
But that said, it's irrelevant to the argument over man made climate change. Because nobody disputes that the climate is always in flux. Just what role we are playing in the current changes. And the evidence nearly all points to us having a significant --even driving -- impact.
That is, until someone can explain what I posted above -- i.e., what OTHER causes are responsible, and why isn't man-made CO2 responsible even though every physical chemistry measurement says it should be?
In science, precedent is not explanation. Just because the earth has warmed before, is not sufficient explanation for why it is warming now.See More
Me: Scott is right. The debate is not about climate change.
In fact, it isn't even really about the anthropogenic piece. The debate is really a political one.
SB: The science is largely settled. Rich is right the issue is what, if anything, to do about it. Science can't answer that one.
Me: Precisely, Scott. The government solution should not be the default choice.
AE: Scott, I will readily concede that I have neither the knowledge base nor the experience to argue the subject with any credibility. I've seen all kinds of theories, none of which have really stuck in my mind aside from the one that has everyone's attention. I'll admit it - I'm more than a little bit apathetic toward the subject – in terms of science, anyway. What I do know is that my wardrobe has varied throughout the years in response to cycles in nature, some of which, it appears perfectly plausible, last longer than a few lifetimes. Do humans impact the environment? Absolutely. Must we be good stewards? Absolutely. Do I have any faith in the projections of Earth’s demise by carbon emissions? I don’t. Whether that makes me a fool, a damn fool, or merely a skeptic – well, only time will tell. In the meantime, human history is rife with abuse and manipulation of the masses, and that is a constant that no amount of facts and figures will ever lay a finger on so long as human nature exists. The “what to do about it” is, in my line of thinking, what concerns me most.
SB: So let me understand this -- and I really don't want to put words in your mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong: you're willing to acknowledge science so long as it doesn't disagree with your beliefs, or inconvenience you in any way. Is that about right?
BTW, no one argues that climate change will lead to the "earth's demise." Merely large scale extinctions of species, massive dislocations and suffering of people (half a billion people live in floodplains that are likely to be innundated and made inhospitable -- and unfarmable -- within the next 50 years or so because of climate change) and significant losses to property. The earth will survive all of that quite nicely, thank you. So will mankind.
But it's the quality of life, and the extent of suffering that we're willing to impose on one another, that concerns those of us who take this seriously. People talk about the cost of stopping or mitigating climate change, but there are also large costs of inaction, so the real issue is who ends up footing the bill? That's where I'll plead ignorance -- I have my own opinions over whether profits, or people, are more important, but I do not have a liberal arts education, and can't put those opinions into any sort of rational moral or philosophical framework.
RS:No need to apologize. Skepticism used to be highly valued in science.
AE: Science is invaluable. Information is power. And power is abused. I don't just acknowledge science, I recognize that it is perfectly impartial to my beliefs, convenient or not. And in this age in human history, the scientific establishment (meaning people, not science itself) are a pretty necessary component of the new oligarchy.
SB: it still is, Rich. But it's always been about INFORMED skepticism. Asking questions is essential, and as I've stated many times in this debate, or any other scientific discussion, scientific truth is always contingent -- theories change and evolve constantly, so there's no point in getting too attached.
that said, there's a difference between skepticism, and simply refusing to accept the parts of the data or theory which are at odds with your personal beliefs. Einstein was skeptical about many of the implications of quantum theory -- a theory which, ironically, he helped to create. He famously said, "I refuse to believe that God plays dice with the universe" (paraphrasing slightly). Yet, he understood that those ideas in quantum theory which caused him the greatest discomfort, were a critical part of its success (and it is a very successful theory, from the point of view of how well, and how precisely, it allows us to predict results).
IMO, discarding parts of a theory which you don't even understand, is not skepticism. It's cynicism, and I don't think they're the same thing.
AE: Tell you what, if the definition of a cynic permits them to be jolly, you may call me a cynic.
You and your sons have fantastic and admirable minds. I wish the one of them would stop unfriending me.
SB: with regard to said son, sometimes, it's necessary to "unfriend" people on Facebook, in order to remain friends in real life. I hope you agree that the latter is a higher priority. ;-)
Me: "Informed skepticism" is a value judgment. Belittling skeptics and quashing dissent is a political bludgeon frequently used to silence dissent, even by scientists against other scientists.
AE: SB, agreed. Please tell him I say hello. Rich, excellent observation. One Peter Duesberg comes to mind.
SB: sorry, rich, but unlike some areas of public discourse, and in brainstorming, in science there IS such a thing as a dumb question.
Me: With all due respect, that is an a priori appraisal which assumes your side is unassailably correct while those on the other side are dumb or ignorant. That is not science.
The next step is to catagorize opposition scientists as tools of Big Oil, or lacking expertise, or outside the mainstream. That is also not science.
SG: I so agree with you on this subject, Scott. We, as human beings, should be responsible for our actions and the impact they impose on our earth. Being ignorant and having your head buried in the sand is not a solution. If temps have only been measured since the 1800's, we should be smart enough to look at the data and live accordingly. It's sad that this subject has become political! I think that in the next 50 years, fresh drinking water may be a hot commodity on a global scale.
BTW: my wife decided she really likes this Scott guy!
SB: Rich -- On this topic (the nature of science) I will push back a little -- aside from spending 27 years of my life working as a research scientist, I have also spent an even longer time reading and thinking about the history and philosophy of science. And I think that you might have missed my point.
To wit: I claimed that, "...in science, there IS such a thing as a dumb question". And I will stand by that 100%. The reason there are dumb questions is because science, unlike most other world views, is a cumulative way of creating knowledge. Once I've established, for instance, that CO2 has the physical property of absorbing light energy in one portion of the spectrum, and re-emitting it in another part, I do not have to go back and prove that over and over again. Furthermore, it is only open for re-examination if a body of data emerges which is inconsistent with that observed "fact" or unless a theory which is otherwise very compelling, suggests that some other outcome ought to be expected.
It's this aggregation of knowledge ("standing on the shoulders of giants" in the words of Newton) that has allowed modern science to be such an effective tool for explaining the physical world.
In the climate debate, there are plenty of dumb questions that are passed off as skepticism. "What about solar variability?" is a good example. Yes, solar radiation does vary, but the pattern of that variation does NOT correlate to current temperature trends -- and this has been reasonably well established. So to continually ask the question as if it is a new thought, or a matter of great scientific uncertainty, is arguably a dumb question. Now, it doesn't mean the person asking is dumb -- they may be unaware that this question has been resolved, or they may be introducing it for any number of reasons.
But it doesn't warrant, IMO, the sort of serious reconsideration each and every time it's asked, unless new data or new theory somehow bring the accepted answer into doubt.
There are any number of other examples I could provide, but my point is merely this: science encourages skepticism and curiosity, but that does not mean that it must, or even SHOULD, treat every idea as being equally plausible, or of equal worth. In a scientific framework, there are LOTS of bad ideas, and dumb questions that do nothing to actually move our understanding of the world forward.
As far as disparaging research findings due to the source of funding: yeah there are people who will do that. I'm not one of them.
Me: I fear you also have missed my point. Nowhere have I discussed science, the properties of matter, or the reliability of outcomes of chemical reactions. I have restricted my comments to the behavior of people in the name of science.
It isn't about science. It's about the manipulation, interpretation, and political use of science according to a specific point of view.
It's the political equivalent of unfalsifiability.
"Rep. Mike Beard (R-Shakopee) is pushing for more new coal-fired power plants in Minnesota, but the Shakopee Republican is undeterred by reports about the effects of carbon-emitting energy production on global warming. His reason: He believes God will prevent the planet from running out of fossil fuel..."
JB: Oy Vey!
AE: Half the continent was buried in snow a few weeks ago. Yep, the world is warming up! Hurry up, people! Reduce your carbon emissions exponentially by holding your breath until you expire.
SB: AE, don't be so disingenuous. Despite all that snow, 2010 was the second warmest year on record. And you probably KNEW that.
AE: On record since when? Was someone keeping track 100,000 years ago? Or a million? Or a billion? Just curious where the benchmark comes from.
SB: Andrew, don't be deliberately ignorant. I refuse to argue with fools.
NS: You the man. Deliberate Ignorance is the last stronghold of the defeated.
SB: I've wasted WAAAAAY too many hours "arguing" this topic with people on other forums, to bother here. Anyone who knows enough to ask these questions, knows enough to know that they are red herrings. And I'm just tired of playing. ...
If you want to be taken seriously, be serious.
NS: Incidently how does a guy that spends his day thinking (which I understand is the most basic form of your job (TOTALLY AWESOME)) manage to give a crap about politics? I can't seem to spend more than 8 seconds talking/thinking about it without losing all my faith in humanity, gaining a desire to drink myself to death, and trying to forget that I have an opinion anyways. I mean HOW DO YOU LIVE? I need some help on that one man I really do I respect you for it but I can't understand it.
SB: the truth is, Neil, I've become far less political than I was back when I actually was an elected official (in my late teens/early 20's, I was elected a couple of times to local school boards, just like Michael Moore -- in fact, Michael was... in a young school board member's caucus that I helped to start, back before he started making movies).
I think that time in office gave me some perspective -- for one, I was quite a bit more liberal then than now, and had to represent people who DIDN'T vote for me, as well as those who did. So I learned a certain detachment from my own views, at least for purposes of argument sake.
In the end, though, the main factor is that I grew up with a father who was to the right of Ronald Reagan on many issues, while I was a socialist (and the criteria for being a socialist then were a lot tougher than merely voting Democratic). We argued politics incessantly, but we always ended our arguments as friends. He taught me to value character over beliefs, which is why I tend to get more upset over HOW someone presents their beliefs than what they actually think. If they can argue honestly, with an understanding of their own biases, and without name calling or TOO much hyperbole..I'll be happy to talk with them.
Mind you, I don't always live up to my own standards, but that's what I aspire to.
JC: 'Global Warming' is nothing more than poor marketing...had they called it 'Global Climate Change' from the start there would be far fewer arguments.
SB: maybe. But I doubt it.
JC: Yeah...who am I kidding...there will always be someone that thinks that the sight of snow or frost on a window throws the whole 'warming' argument out of the window.
AE: What is ignorant about wanting to know where the benchmark comes from? Seriously. Honest question. How far can we go back with temperature records?
Me: the 1880s.
AE: Thanks Rich. So let's see, if I use a scientifically conservative guesstimate that the Earth is about 200 million years old, that means we've been keeping an accurate record of temperatures for about .00000065 % of the Earth's life.
JC: But Andrew...the bible says that the Earth is only thousands of years old
Me: Very few people believe the earth is young. It is dishonest to suggest that there are only two choices.
SB: Rich is right, instrument-based temperature records go back about 130 years. Proxy records (measured indirectly through a variety of methods, of highly varying degrees of reliability) can be developed to take us back as far as you'd like to trust the science. Let's say, for sake of argument, a couple hundred thousand years (though we have insights into earlier climates as well).
So when I say "warmest on record," I mean during the 130 years in which temperature data has been collected by instruments.
It is not any one set of temperature data, however, that give reason for concern. It's the convergence of theory and observation that point to man made climate change. In fact, any valid argument that the earth ISN'T warming due to man made causes, needs to explain why not -- because there are provable reasons why it should, established by Arrehnius (a chemist) nearly 120 years ago and based entirely on physical properties of CO2 and other gases that are known to several significant digits.
To date, nobody's come up with a sound explanation that takes into account both the current warming trend, AND factors in what we know to be true about CO2's impact in the atmosphere, other than the anthropogenic global warming model.
until they do, the way that science works is that you have that first burden of proof to meet, before you can be taken very seriously. If your theory doesn't do at LEAST as good a job of explaining what we observe and know as the current theory, it's not a very good one.
JC: No shit Sherlock
SB: 200 million years is not scientifically conservative. It's non-scientific. The current estimate is in the 4.5 billion year range. Shaving off 4 billion years from that isn't being "scientifically conservative" but rather just ignoring science.
But that said, it's irrelevant to the argument over man made climate change. Because nobody disputes that the climate is always in flux. Just what role we are playing in the current changes. And the evidence nearly all points to us having a significant --even driving -- impact.
That is, until someone can explain what I posted above -- i.e., what OTHER causes are responsible, and why isn't man-made CO2 responsible even though every physical chemistry measurement says it should be?
In science, precedent is not explanation. Just because the earth has warmed before, is not sufficient explanation for why it is warming now.See More
Me: Scott is right. The debate is not about climate change.
In fact, it isn't even really about the anthropogenic piece. The debate is really a political one.
SB: The science is largely settled. Rich is right the issue is what, if anything, to do about it. Science can't answer that one.
Me: Precisely, Scott. The government solution should not be the default choice.
AE: Scott, I will readily concede that I have neither the knowledge base nor the experience to argue the subject with any credibility. I've seen all kinds of theories, none of which have really stuck in my mind aside from the one that has everyone's attention. I'll admit it - I'm more than a little bit apathetic toward the subject – in terms of science, anyway. What I do know is that my wardrobe has varied throughout the years in response to cycles in nature, some of which, it appears perfectly plausible, last longer than a few lifetimes. Do humans impact the environment? Absolutely. Must we be good stewards? Absolutely. Do I have any faith in the projections of Earth’s demise by carbon emissions? I don’t. Whether that makes me a fool, a damn fool, or merely a skeptic – well, only time will tell. In the meantime, human history is rife with abuse and manipulation of the masses, and that is a constant that no amount of facts and figures will ever lay a finger on so long as human nature exists. The “what to do about it” is, in my line of thinking, what concerns me most.
SB: So let me understand this -- and I really don't want to put words in your mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong: you're willing to acknowledge science so long as it doesn't disagree with your beliefs, or inconvenience you in any way. Is that about right?
BTW, no one argues that climate change will lead to the "earth's demise." Merely large scale extinctions of species, massive dislocations and suffering of people (half a billion people live in floodplains that are likely to be innundated and made inhospitable -- and unfarmable -- within the next 50 years or so because of climate change) and significant losses to property. The earth will survive all of that quite nicely, thank you. So will mankind.
But it's the quality of life, and the extent of suffering that we're willing to impose on one another, that concerns those of us who take this seriously. People talk about the cost of stopping or mitigating climate change, but there are also large costs of inaction, so the real issue is who ends up footing the bill? That's where I'll plead ignorance -- I have my own opinions over whether profits, or people, are more important, but I do not have a liberal arts education, and can't put those opinions into any sort of rational moral or philosophical framework.
RS:No need to apologize. Skepticism used to be highly valued in science.
AE: Science is invaluable. Information is power. And power is abused. I don't just acknowledge science, I recognize that it is perfectly impartial to my beliefs, convenient or not. And in this age in human history, the scientific establishment (meaning people, not science itself) are a pretty necessary component of the new oligarchy.
SB: it still is, Rich. But it's always been about INFORMED skepticism. Asking questions is essential, and as I've stated many times in this debate, or any other scientific discussion, scientific truth is always contingent -- theories change and evolve constantly, so there's no point in getting too attached.
that said, there's a difference between skepticism, and simply refusing to accept the parts of the data or theory which are at odds with your personal beliefs. Einstein was skeptical about many of the implications of quantum theory -- a theory which, ironically, he helped to create. He famously said, "I refuse to believe that God plays dice with the universe" (paraphrasing slightly). Yet, he understood that those ideas in quantum theory which caused him the greatest discomfort, were a critical part of its success (and it is a very successful theory, from the point of view of how well, and how precisely, it allows us to predict results).
IMO, discarding parts of a theory which you don't even understand, is not skepticism. It's cynicism, and I don't think they're the same thing.
AE: Tell you what, if the definition of a cynic permits them to be jolly, you may call me a cynic.
You and your sons have fantastic and admirable minds. I wish the one of them would stop unfriending me.
SB: with regard to said son, sometimes, it's necessary to "unfriend" people on Facebook, in order to remain friends in real life. I hope you agree that the latter is a higher priority. ;-)
Me: "Informed skepticism" is a value judgment. Belittling skeptics and quashing dissent is a political bludgeon frequently used to silence dissent, even by scientists against other scientists.
AE: SB, agreed. Please tell him I say hello. Rich, excellent observation. One Peter Duesberg comes to mind.
SB: sorry, rich, but unlike some areas of public discourse, and in brainstorming, in science there IS such a thing as a dumb question.
Me: With all due respect, that is an a priori appraisal which assumes your side is unassailably correct while those on the other side are dumb or ignorant. That is not science.
The next step is to catagorize opposition scientists as tools of Big Oil, or lacking expertise, or outside the mainstream. That is also not science.
SG: I so agree with you on this subject, Scott. We, as human beings, should be responsible for our actions and the impact they impose on our earth. Being ignorant and having your head buried in the sand is not a solution. If temps have only been measured since the 1800's, we should be smart enough to look at the data and live accordingly. It's sad that this subject has become political! I think that in the next 50 years, fresh drinking water may be a hot commodity on a global scale.
BTW: my wife decided she really likes this Scott guy!
SB: Rich -- On this topic (the nature of science) I will push back a little -- aside from spending 27 years of my life working as a research scientist, I have also spent an even longer time reading and thinking about the history and philosophy of science. And I think that you might have missed my point.
To wit: I claimed that, "...in science, there IS such a thing as a dumb question". And I will stand by that 100%. The reason there are dumb questions is because science, unlike most other world views, is a cumulative way of creating knowledge. Once I've established, for instance, that CO2 has the physical property of absorbing light energy in one portion of the spectrum, and re-emitting it in another part, I do not have to go back and prove that over and over again. Furthermore, it is only open for re-examination if a body of data emerges which is inconsistent with that observed "fact" or unless a theory which is otherwise very compelling, suggests that some other outcome ought to be expected.
It's this aggregation of knowledge ("standing on the shoulders of giants" in the words of Newton) that has allowed modern science to be such an effective tool for explaining the physical world.
In the climate debate, there are plenty of dumb questions that are passed off as skepticism. "What about solar variability?" is a good example. Yes, solar radiation does vary, but the pattern of that variation does NOT correlate to current temperature trends -- and this has been reasonably well established. So to continually ask the question as if it is a new thought, or a matter of great scientific uncertainty, is arguably a dumb question. Now, it doesn't mean the person asking is dumb -- they may be unaware that this question has been resolved, or they may be introducing it for any number of reasons.
But it doesn't warrant, IMO, the sort of serious reconsideration each and every time it's asked, unless new data or new theory somehow bring the accepted answer into doubt.
There are any number of other examples I could provide, but my point is merely this: science encourages skepticism and curiosity, but that does not mean that it must, or even SHOULD, treat every idea as being equally plausible, or of equal worth. In a scientific framework, there are LOTS of bad ideas, and dumb questions that do nothing to actually move our understanding of the world forward.
As far as disparaging research findings due to the source of funding: yeah there are people who will do that. I'm not one of them.
Me: I fear you also have missed my point. Nowhere have I discussed science, the properties of matter, or the reliability of outcomes of chemical reactions. I have restricted my comments to the behavior of people in the name of science.
It isn't about science. It's about the manipulation, interpretation, and political use of science according to a specific point of view.
It's the political equivalent of unfalsifiability.
Tuesday, February 1, 2011
Editoral, what's the story on the Story?
A couple of weeks ago the Chronicle ran an extensive front page story about the Story Mansion.
The article informs us that the “Becker Amendment,” named after Commissioner Sean Becker, stipulated that the City would allocate $392,000 from property tax revenues to the mansion so that the City could qualify for a $500,000 federal grant. Somehow connected to this is a group called the Friends of Story Mansion. They committed to raise money and repay this amount within two years. If they failed, the mansion was to be sold.
The transaction seems strange. It has the appearance of a loan, but the Friends never received any money. So I have some questions. Why would the City make the success of the fundraising effort a contingency for its decision to sell the mansion? The Friends are a non-government group which has no connection to the financial picture other than the fund raising commitment. Indeed, there is no obligation to pay the money back. So what exactly was the purpose of this agreement, other than to be an unofficial tax collection department?
Oh, the money. The feds gave $1.3 million to the project, plus another $2.3 million came from the City itself (including the $392,000?). To this amount we must add the loss of property tax revenue that would have been paid if a private party owned it (let’s assume $40,000 per year for past 5 years). Of course, we also need to consider what other projects might have been funded had all this tax money not been spent on the mansion.
On top of that the article tells us that income generated from the use of the mansion totaled $38,000 in the last year and a half, while expenses amounted to $31,000. And, apparently a substantial number of the 262 users paid nothing. Can anyone say boondoggle?
So let’s break it down. The cumulative cost to the taxpayer is around $4,000,000 (!) to purchase and preserve a mansion that was built by Story’s son (the father’s more opulent and historically significant mansion on Main Street was demolished by the City in the 1970s). It remains a continual drain on the City’s resources. The city has no reasonable expectation that it will recover the money from the Friends. Happily, the City does gain a party other than itself to affix blame.
But let’s go deeper. Where does the City Charter authorize the commissioners to purchase a building for historic preservation? Where does the Charter authorize the commissioners to connect city business to a private fund raising effort by a group that has shown little more than good intentions? Is there any limit at all on the City’s authority to throw money around on whatever pet project that happens by?
And how about this: The law stipulates that the mansion must be sold for at least 90% of its appraised value. The mansion is zoned R-1, which limits its use. And, any purchaser would have to honor the historic preservation easement. Does this all sound like everything possible has done to make the mansion unattractive to potential buyers?
This has the feel of someone dealing from the bottom of the deck, a grand scheme to do whatever it takes to satisfy a leftist itch to keep the mansion out of private hands, no matter the cost. How wonderful it must be to have unlimited access to other peoples’ money, especially in these difficult economic times.
The article ironically quotes Commissioner Becker: “It’s important that (city officials) are responsible stewards of all city assets.” Um, yeah, when exactly does that start happening?
The article informs us that the “Becker Amendment,” named after Commissioner Sean Becker, stipulated that the City would allocate $392,000 from property tax revenues to the mansion so that the City could qualify for a $500,000 federal grant. Somehow connected to this is a group called the Friends of Story Mansion. They committed to raise money and repay this amount within two years. If they failed, the mansion was to be sold.
The transaction seems strange. It has the appearance of a loan, but the Friends never received any money. So I have some questions. Why would the City make the success of the fundraising effort a contingency for its decision to sell the mansion? The Friends are a non-government group which has no connection to the financial picture other than the fund raising commitment. Indeed, there is no obligation to pay the money back. So what exactly was the purpose of this agreement, other than to be an unofficial tax collection department?
Oh, the money. The feds gave $1.3 million to the project, plus another $2.3 million came from the City itself (including the $392,000?). To this amount we must add the loss of property tax revenue that would have been paid if a private party owned it (let’s assume $40,000 per year for past 5 years). Of course, we also need to consider what other projects might have been funded had all this tax money not been spent on the mansion.
On top of that the article tells us that income generated from the use of the mansion totaled $38,000 in the last year and a half, while expenses amounted to $31,000. And, apparently a substantial number of the 262 users paid nothing. Can anyone say boondoggle?
So let’s break it down. The cumulative cost to the taxpayer is around $4,000,000 (!) to purchase and preserve a mansion that was built by Story’s son (the father’s more opulent and historically significant mansion on Main Street was demolished by the City in the 1970s). It remains a continual drain on the City’s resources. The city has no reasonable expectation that it will recover the money from the Friends. Happily, the City does gain a party other than itself to affix blame.
But let’s go deeper. Where does the City Charter authorize the commissioners to purchase a building for historic preservation? Where does the Charter authorize the commissioners to connect city business to a private fund raising effort by a group that has shown little more than good intentions? Is there any limit at all on the City’s authority to throw money around on whatever pet project that happens by?
And how about this: The law stipulates that the mansion must be sold for at least 90% of its appraised value. The mansion is zoned R-1, which limits its use. And, any purchaser would have to honor the historic preservation easement. Does this all sound like everything possible has done to make the mansion unattractive to potential buyers?
This has the feel of someone dealing from the bottom of the deck, a grand scheme to do whatever it takes to satisfy a leftist itch to keep the mansion out of private hands, no matter the cost. How wonderful it must be to have unlimited access to other peoples’ money, especially in these difficult economic times.
The article ironically quotes Commissioner Becker: “It’s important that (city officials) are responsible stewards of all city assets.” Um, yeah, when exactly does that start happening?
Thursday, January 27, 2011
Facebook conversation, solving problems
A FB friend posted this story, and a conversation ensued. Typical Leftist, unable to follow train of logic and respond to it.
"Sick and getting sicker, Social Security will run at a deficit this year and keep on running in the red until its trust funds are drained by about 2037, congressional budget experts said Wednesday in bleaker-than-previous estimates." (http://www.npr.org/2011/01/26/133253327/cbo-social-security-will-run-permanent-deficits?ft=1&f=1001)
BC: This is a very scary problem. The longer we wait to raise taxes and cut benefits, the worse it will be.
Me: SS is empty now. The Trust Fund contains government bonds, not cash. The government takes the cash out issues the bonds. The cash is then spent in the general fund.
BC: And it's caused by the mentality of the American voter - government must do things and provide services ... but the immature voter resists paying taxes equal to the costs. So, government makes up the difference by borrowing, including taking all Social Security reserves and replacing them with debt. The American voter will retire and suffocate on his own foolishness.
Me: When has raising taxes ever solved a social problem?
BC: Taxes were raised to pay for World War II. They were raised to pay for the Social Security and Medicare that have already helped millions pass through old age in dignity. They were raised to pay for the finest public university system in the world. They were raised to eradicate polio. The list of problems solved and conditions improved through communitarian revenue and expenditure is long and noble.
Me: What social problem did WWII solve? What problem has been solved by by raising taxes for SS and Medicare? And University funding? And disease is a social problem? I did not ask for situations that were improved, sir.
BC: It's consistent to support low taxes, if you also support low public services. That's how things work in places like Mississippi and Alabama.
BC: Then define "social problem" and define "solution." But I needn't accept your terms. I regard Jews in concentration camps as a social problem. It's social. And it's a problem. I define polio as a social problem. It's social. And it's... a problem. I define every violent criminal a social problem. They harm others. That's social. And it's a problem. Tax dollars paid to bring about an end to the Third Reich's concentration camps ... a virtual end to polio ... and cessation of harm by each violent criminal when arrested and incarcerated. These achievements aren't matchable by private enterprise. You won't ever see Walmart fighting the Third Reich, eradicating polio, or policing the streets. The private sector has its mission ... and so does the public sector. And when the private sector steers itself into a ditch, it's the public sector that sends out the tow truck.
Me: Of course you wouldn't accept my terms. The broadest possible definition of "social problem" as well as the loosest definition of "solve" allows you to argue whilst moving the goalposts to suit your big government advocacy.
Any casual observer would easily discern that government hasn't solved crime, poverty, social unrest, or disease by even a loose definition of "solve." Indeed, one could make a convincing case that government has worsened many of these problems.
BC: So let's not have police. Let's not have schools. Let's not have public health departments. Let's not have the University of Washington. Social problems will be ... well, pretty much like they are anywhere in the world with low public services. Think "Somalia." That might be a poster child of libertarianism. Pretty much no government or public services, while private citizens slug it out. I prefer places like Norway.
Me: Several non sequiturs. No one has argued for no government. Libertarians are not anarchists. Somalia was not established on libertarian ideals, nor was it founded on capitalism or free markets.
BC: Actually, Somalia technically does have government. It just has a very low profile. Somalia's an example of low taxes and limited government. I prefer Norway. Love that high education level, good health, and social stability. But I guess it's your prerogative to prefer places like Somalia or regard states like Mississippi and Alabama as an attractive image of America's future.
Me: I did not claim that Somalia does not have a government. I did not claim that I prefer Mississippi. Perhaps you could argue the points I raise. I asserted that Somalia was not established on libertarian ideals, nor was it founded on capitalism or free markets.
JW: BC - I've got to chime in with Rich here. It's not fair to equate libertarians with anarchists, that's a logical fallacy. Some libertarians are indeed anarchists, but many libertarians believe in state-provided services.
BUT - my experience living in Europe ("socialist" Europe as my dad used to say) has opened my eyes to the tradeoffs of a higher level of state services. Don't get me wrong. Just because the state provides a service doesn't mean its good. Britain's NHS is probably a good example of that. And Europe's universities are mostly awful compared to America's universities; that has more to do with the fact that European students pay little or nothing for their education, whereas American students are expected to pay a significant part of it.
But why - despite draconian sentencing - am I more likely to get mugged in almost any American city than in most European cities? It may have something to do with the large, increasingly permanent underclass existing in America - a social problem.
BC: America's excellent public universities are state services, as are Europe's apparently-worse set of universities. So all that indicates to me is, sometimes state services do well, and sometimes they don't. As for existence of a chronic underclass, that apparently exists in America (where state services are lower) and Europe (where they're higher). Maybe we should experiment? Maybe we should measure improvement or worsening of these underclasses by eliminating all social safety nets? Well, I do regard improvement vs. worsening as the proper yardstick. In my mind, the term "solution" only means comparative improvement over what would otherwise exist.
Me: I don't recall JW saying "public universities."
If the "chronic underclass" is defined as, say, the bottom 12%, then there will always be a "chronic underclass."
However, there is no such thing as a "chronic underclass," as far as a notable permanent level of poverty. The bottom quintile is extremely dynamic, with high percentages of people moving into other quintiles.
There is a small number of people who never rise out of their self-imposed destitution, however. No matter how much "help" they receive, they are content to live under bridges and hold cardboard signs.
I don't regard "improvement" as a significant indicator as to whether or not a social program is a success, first because improvement rarely results from profligate government largesse, but mostly because my first criteria is constitutional authority. The constitution enumerates the specific powers of government. If it ain't in there, government can't do it.
BC: As an attorney and former drafter of laws at the state government level my observation is that many opinions about the U.S. Constitution are uninformed about how it's worded. Precise language with fixed meaning is avoided, in favor of broad, abstract language requiring constant interpretation. For example, the ban on "cruel and unusual punishment." No one ever is literally sentenced to cruel and unusual punishment; instead a judge imposes a particular form of punishment which might not have been contemplated, one way or the other, by the individuals who wrote and voted at the Constitutional Convention. Apply the Constitution, and since it doesn't explicitly mention capital punishment by burning at the stake then it's not banned. But apply the term "cruel and unusual punishment" as it was intended - a term of abstraction to be applied to changing and unforeseen conditions - and many forms of punishment are revealed to be unconstitutional. It's not a Betty Crocker recipe book with clear formulas. Instead it was deliberately written to elicit interpretation and change as the American experience unfolded.
Me: Ok, Sir, I challenge you to a poker game without fixed meaning to the rules.
BC: You won't find due process of law canned and sitting on a shelf at the general store. It doesn't work that way, and the founders knew it. That's why the centerpiece of the Bill of Rights requires interpretation in the face of realities never mentione and never forseseen by the document's drafters. The doctrine's meaning evolved with inventions like internet, telegraph, transcontinental railroad, and jet airplane. The Constitution isn't stereo instructions. It's not a Betty Crocker recipe book. And everyone knew so, from the very beginning. For example, Chief Justice Marshall's opinion in the famous 1801 decision, Marbury v. Madison.
JW: Every society is in a constant process to find the "best" way to live. In the most notable cases extraodinary documents accompany this process - the Ten Commandments, the Magna Carta, the Constitution of the United States, just to name a few that popped into my head. That does not mean that these documents can or should be taken as all-inclusive blueprints, never to be changed, never to be reinterpreted.
Comparing the organization and functioning of society to a game of poker is not very apt, in my opinion.
BC: The framers deliberately built adaptability into the Constitution. Besides using abstract terms like "due process" and "cruel and unusual" - phrases whose abstractness necessarily required interpretation - they also included so-called elastic clauses. Article I Section 8 says Congress has power to pass any law which is "necessary and proper" to effectuate a power of Congress specifically enumerated. So besides the powers specifically mentioned, there are additional implied powers. Regarding individual rights, the Ninth Amendment says the people hold rights in addition to the ones specifically mentioned in the wording of the constitution. Elastic phrases such as these show that the document as a whole isn't written to be a narrow and precise set of recipes, but instead something more elastic.
Me: James Madison, Federalist Paper 45: “The powers delegated … to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, [such] as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. … The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people.”
BC: This was written about a year before the Constitution was enacted, when various drafts were still circulating. Madison expresses the view of slave states, a position in a debate resolved more in favor of the opposite side of the debate, especially when the Bill of Rights was subsequently passed.
Me: So the father of the constitution was wrong? Really? Source?
BC: Nobody's all right. And probably nobody's all wrong. But on the issue of the jurisdictional line between states and federal government, it was Hamilton who prevailed, not Madison or Jefferson. I'm glad. States' rights has often been a stalking horse for America's most low-minded instincts, including racism in public institutions, slavery, and environmental permissiveness. It all loops back to my earlier reference to the mentality of places like Mississippi and Alabama.
Me: I call BS. Source?
JW: Let's keep this civil! I don't have a source at hand, but having recently read the well-known John Adams biography, I tend to agree with the history of what Bob is saying (and I agree philosophically).
Perhaps the time is come in this thread to "agree to disagree"?
Me: I asked Mr. Casey for a source, which he did not provide. I asked again, and now I'm uncivil?
Oh, and is insinuating that someone is racist civil?
BC: I don't regard these kinds of online discussions as obligating anyone to run to the library to satisfy somoene else's request for documentation of views expressed. These aren't doctoral dissertations. Instead they're opinions. I also don't regard you as obligated to run to the library and provide documentation for your own views.
The reason why I think Hamilton ultimately won a small tug of war between himself and Madison is the Bill of Rights ultimately vindicated a viewpoint more similar to Hamilton's than Madison's.
There's a twist. You could call it a role-reversal.When passed, the Bill of Rights was widely regarded as check against federal power. So, it was more pleasing to states' rights advocates like Madison and Jefferson, than centralized power advocates like Hamilton. But after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment was also passed. And it has had the effect of extending the Bill or Rights's prohibitions against abuse by the federal government, to prohibitions against abuse by state government as well.
That's how we ended up with rulings like Brown v. Board of Education, which shut down the ability of southern states to enforce segregated schools under the rubric of "states' rights."
By eventually coming to bind both levels of government, the Bill of Rights became nation-wide law something which (in my opinion) would please Hamilton more than Madison.
Me: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your claims are completely contrary to the raison d'etre of America. The fundamental purpose of the constitution, restraining government, came about as a result of the heavy-handed, oppressive, centralized British monarchy.
"Sick and getting sicker, Social Security will run at a deficit this year and keep on running in the red until its trust funds are drained by about 2037, congressional budget experts said Wednesday in bleaker-than-previous estimates." (http://www.npr.org/2011/01/26/133253327/cbo-social-security-will-run-permanent-deficits?ft=1&f=1001)
BC: This is a very scary problem. The longer we wait to raise taxes and cut benefits, the worse it will be.
Me: SS is empty now. The Trust Fund contains government bonds, not cash. The government takes the cash out issues the bonds. The cash is then spent in the general fund.
BC: And it's caused by the mentality of the American voter - government must do things and provide services ... but the immature voter resists paying taxes equal to the costs. So, government makes up the difference by borrowing, including taking all Social Security reserves and replacing them with debt. The American voter will retire and suffocate on his own foolishness.
Me: When has raising taxes ever solved a social problem?
BC: Taxes were raised to pay for World War II. They were raised to pay for the Social Security and Medicare that have already helped millions pass through old age in dignity. They were raised to pay for the finest public university system in the world. They were raised to eradicate polio. The list of problems solved and conditions improved through communitarian revenue and expenditure is long and noble.
Me: What social problem did WWII solve? What problem has been solved by by raising taxes for SS and Medicare? And University funding? And disease is a social problem? I did not ask for situations that were improved, sir.
BC: It's consistent to support low taxes, if you also support low public services. That's how things work in places like Mississippi and Alabama.
BC: Then define "social problem" and define "solution." But I needn't accept your terms. I regard Jews in concentration camps as a social problem. It's social. And it's a problem. I define polio as a social problem. It's social. And it's... a problem. I define every violent criminal a social problem. They harm others. That's social. And it's a problem. Tax dollars paid to bring about an end to the Third Reich's concentration camps ... a virtual end to polio ... and cessation of harm by each violent criminal when arrested and incarcerated. These achievements aren't matchable by private enterprise. You won't ever see Walmart fighting the Third Reich, eradicating polio, or policing the streets. The private sector has its mission ... and so does the public sector. And when the private sector steers itself into a ditch, it's the public sector that sends out the tow truck.
Me: Of course you wouldn't accept my terms. The broadest possible definition of "social problem" as well as the loosest definition of "solve" allows you to argue whilst moving the goalposts to suit your big government advocacy.
Any casual observer would easily discern that government hasn't solved crime, poverty, social unrest, or disease by even a loose definition of "solve." Indeed, one could make a convincing case that government has worsened many of these problems.
BC: So let's not have police. Let's not have schools. Let's not have public health departments. Let's not have the University of Washington. Social problems will be ... well, pretty much like they are anywhere in the world with low public services. Think "Somalia." That might be a poster child of libertarianism. Pretty much no government or public services, while private citizens slug it out. I prefer places like Norway.
Me: Several non sequiturs. No one has argued for no government. Libertarians are not anarchists. Somalia was not established on libertarian ideals, nor was it founded on capitalism or free markets.
BC: Actually, Somalia technically does have government. It just has a very low profile. Somalia's an example of low taxes and limited government. I prefer Norway. Love that high education level, good health, and social stability. But I guess it's your prerogative to prefer places like Somalia or regard states like Mississippi and Alabama as an attractive image of America's future.
Me: I did not claim that Somalia does not have a government. I did not claim that I prefer Mississippi. Perhaps you could argue the points I raise. I asserted that Somalia was not established on libertarian ideals, nor was it founded on capitalism or free markets.
JW: BC - I've got to chime in with Rich here. It's not fair to equate libertarians with anarchists, that's a logical fallacy. Some libertarians are indeed anarchists, but many libertarians believe in state-provided services.
BUT - my experience living in Europe ("socialist" Europe as my dad used to say) has opened my eyes to the tradeoffs of a higher level of state services. Don't get me wrong. Just because the state provides a service doesn't mean its good. Britain's NHS is probably a good example of that. And Europe's universities are mostly awful compared to America's universities; that has more to do with the fact that European students pay little or nothing for their education, whereas American students are expected to pay a significant part of it.
But why - despite draconian sentencing - am I more likely to get mugged in almost any American city than in most European cities? It may have something to do with the large, increasingly permanent underclass existing in America - a social problem.
BC: America's excellent public universities are state services, as are Europe's apparently-worse set of universities. So all that indicates to me is, sometimes state services do well, and sometimes they don't. As for existence of a chronic underclass, that apparently exists in America (where state services are lower) and Europe (where they're higher). Maybe we should experiment? Maybe we should measure improvement or worsening of these underclasses by eliminating all social safety nets? Well, I do regard improvement vs. worsening as the proper yardstick. In my mind, the term "solution" only means comparative improvement over what would otherwise exist.
Me: I don't recall JW saying "public universities."
If the "chronic underclass" is defined as, say, the bottom 12%, then there will always be a "chronic underclass."
However, there is no such thing as a "chronic underclass," as far as a notable permanent level of poverty. The bottom quintile is extremely dynamic, with high percentages of people moving into other quintiles.
There is a small number of people who never rise out of their self-imposed destitution, however. No matter how much "help" they receive, they are content to live under bridges and hold cardboard signs.
I don't regard "improvement" as a significant indicator as to whether or not a social program is a success, first because improvement rarely results from profligate government largesse, but mostly because my first criteria is constitutional authority. The constitution enumerates the specific powers of government. If it ain't in there, government can't do it.
BC: As an attorney and former drafter of laws at the state government level my observation is that many opinions about the U.S. Constitution are uninformed about how it's worded. Precise language with fixed meaning is avoided, in favor of broad, abstract language requiring constant interpretation. For example, the ban on "cruel and unusual punishment." No one ever is literally sentenced to cruel and unusual punishment; instead a judge imposes a particular form of punishment which might not have been contemplated, one way or the other, by the individuals who wrote and voted at the Constitutional Convention. Apply the Constitution, and since it doesn't explicitly mention capital punishment by burning at the stake then it's not banned. But apply the term "cruel and unusual punishment" as it was intended - a term of abstraction to be applied to changing and unforeseen conditions - and many forms of punishment are revealed to be unconstitutional. It's not a Betty Crocker recipe book with clear formulas. Instead it was deliberately written to elicit interpretation and change as the American experience unfolded.
Me: Ok, Sir, I challenge you to a poker game without fixed meaning to the rules.
BC: You won't find due process of law canned and sitting on a shelf at the general store. It doesn't work that way, and the founders knew it. That's why the centerpiece of the Bill of Rights requires interpretation in the face of realities never mentione and never forseseen by the document's drafters. The doctrine's meaning evolved with inventions like internet, telegraph, transcontinental railroad, and jet airplane. The Constitution isn't stereo instructions. It's not a Betty Crocker recipe book. And everyone knew so, from the very beginning. For example, Chief Justice Marshall's opinion in the famous 1801 decision, Marbury v. Madison.
JW: Every society is in a constant process to find the "best" way to live. In the most notable cases extraodinary documents accompany this process - the Ten Commandments, the Magna Carta, the Constitution of the United States, just to name a few that popped into my head. That does not mean that these documents can or should be taken as all-inclusive blueprints, never to be changed, never to be reinterpreted.
Comparing the organization and functioning of society to a game of poker is not very apt, in my opinion.
BC: The framers deliberately built adaptability into the Constitution. Besides using abstract terms like "due process" and "cruel and unusual" - phrases whose abstractness necessarily required interpretation - they also included so-called elastic clauses. Article I Section 8 says Congress has power to pass any law which is "necessary and proper" to effectuate a power of Congress specifically enumerated. So besides the powers specifically mentioned, there are additional implied powers. Regarding individual rights, the Ninth Amendment says the people hold rights in addition to the ones specifically mentioned in the wording of the constitution. Elastic phrases such as these show that the document as a whole isn't written to be a narrow and precise set of recipes, but instead something more elastic.
Me: James Madison, Federalist Paper 45: “The powers delegated … to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, [such] as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. … The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people.”
BC: This was written about a year before the Constitution was enacted, when various drafts were still circulating. Madison expresses the view of slave states, a position in a debate resolved more in favor of the opposite side of the debate, especially when the Bill of Rights was subsequently passed.
Me: So the father of the constitution was wrong? Really? Source?
BC: Nobody's all right. And probably nobody's all wrong. But on the issue of the jurisdictional line between states and federal government, it was Hamilton who prevailed, not Madison or Jefferson. I'm glad. States' rights has often been a stalking horse for America's most low-minded instincts, including racism in public institutions, slavery, and environmental permissiveness. It all loops back to my earlier reference to the mentality of places like Mississippi and Alabama.
Me: I call BS. Source?
JW: Let's keep this civil! I don't have a source at hand, but having recently read the well-known John Adams biography, I tend to agree with the history of what Bob is saying (and I agree philosophically).
Perhaps the time is come in this thread to "agree to disagree"?
Me: I asked Mr. Casey for a source, which he did not provide. I asked again, and now I'm uncivil?
Oh, and is insinuating that someone is racist civil?
BC: I don't regard these kinds of online discussions as obligating anyone to run to the library to satisfy somoene else's request for documentation of views expressed. These aren't doctoral dissertations. Instead they're opinions. I also don't regard you as obligated to run to the library and provide documentation for your own views.
The reason why I think Hamilton ultimately won a small tug of war between himself and Madison is the Bill of Rights ultimately vindicated a viewpoint more similar to Hamilton's than Madison's.
There's a twist. You could call it a role-reversal.When passed, the Bill of Rights was widely regarded as check against federal power. So, it was more pleasing to states' rights advocates like Madison and Jefferson, than centralized power advocates like Hamilton. But after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment was also passed. And it has had the effect of extending the Bill or Rights's prohibitions against abuse by the federal government, to prohibitions against abuse by state government as well.
That's how we ended up with rulings like Brown v. Board of Education, which shut down the ability of southern states to enforce segregated schools under the rubric of "states' rights."
By eventually coming to bind both levels of government, the Bill of Rights became nation-wide law something which (in my opinion) would please Hamilton more than Madison.
Me: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your claims are completely contrary to the raison d'etre of America. The fundamental purpose of the constitution, restraining government, came about as a result of the heavy-handed, oppressive, centralized British monarchy.
Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Editorial, compassion is human
My friend Ron and I have interesting discussions from time to time. He is a self-avowed liberal, and gently prods me whenever he gets the chance. He has obviously thought deeply about things, and he never name-calls like liberals tend to do. He also has done decades of sacrificial work on behalf of the less fortunate. This is a man I really respect.
So that’s why I take notice when he speaks. The other day he was sitting at my desk and said to me, “Rich, I’m a Christian, and I have one question. What do we do about the poor?” I told him that it was a good question. Have you noticed that people will complement the quality of your question when they don’t have a good answer?
Well, I propose to answer his question here. It would seem timely given our annual homeless controversy has once again arrived.
First, let’s analyze the question itself. Who is “we?” Does “we” mean “me and you?” Well, no. When you hear someone say, “What do we do about the poor,” the doctrinaire leftist is really saying “What is government going to do about the poor.” In fact, the farther left you go politically, the more inclined you are to accept the idea that if there isn’t a government social program the problem isn’t being fixed. They wouldn’t think to get out their own checkbooks and do something about it themselves.
Further, if someone opposes or criticizes a government social program, by extension that person is in favor of perpetuating the problem. And that’s why you hear things like, “Republicans hate the poor,” or, “Conservatives want people to die.” These of course are nonsensical criticisms, but some people actually believe them.
Indeed, opposing a government program in any way draws the inevitable criticism that one consequently hates all government, is prone to violence, and is a slack-jawed extremist. This has the effect of dampening debate, shifting the focus from the issue to personalities, and reducing honest dissent into a caricature. This should trouble any thinking person.
So, what do we do about the poor? First, let’s stop doing what hasn’t worked. Government social programs have not eliminated poverty. In fact, one could easily make the case that government social programs have perpetuated and increased the problems they are supposed to be solving. Second, let’s stop calling it compassion. Income redistribution is not compassion. A government check is not showing kindness.
Third, let’s free people to do what they are demonstrably good at: Giving of their time, their wealth, and their talent to assist those who have needs. Despite difficult economic times and burdensome government, Americans still give. Sacrificially. It amazes me that people still choose to help, even after government has taken from them such a large part of their income.
People are compassionate, not government. People sacrifice, not government. People deserve the credit, not some bureaucracy in D.C. Government is the obstacle that keeps people from being more generous. Government steals opportunities from caring people and inserts itself into the equation as the compassion bully.
People make the difference. United Way, Family promise, the soup kitchen, dozens of churches, and thousands of people in the Gallatin Valley step up every day to do the right thing. The fact that people are filling these needs is prima facie evidence that government has failed.
My friend Ron hasn’t told me if he thinks government is the answer to his question. I do know his answer will be well-considered and intelligent. I’m hoping, however, that given the overwhelming failure of government to fix our social problems that he will reach the same conclusion I have.
So that’s why I take notice when he speaks. The other day he was sitting at my desk and said to me, “Rich, I’m a Christian, and I have one question. What do we do about the poor?” I told him that it was a good question. Have you noticed that people will complement the quality of your question when they don’t have a good answer?
Well, I propose to answer his question here. It would seem timely given our annual homeless controversy has once again arrived.
First, let’s analyze the question itself. Who is “we?” Does “we” mean “me and you?” Well, no. When you hear someone say, “What do we do about the poor,” the doctrinaire leftist is really saying “What is government going to do about the poor.” In fact, the farther left you go politically, the more inclined you are to accept the idea that if there isn’t a government social program the problem isn’t being fixed. They wouldn’t think to get out their own checkbooks and do something about it themselves.
Further, if someone opposes or criticizes a government social program, by extension that person is in favor of perpetuating the problem. And that’s why you hear things like, “Republicans hate the poor,” or, “Conservatives want people to die.” These of course are nonsensical criticisms, but some people actually believe them.
Indeed, opposing a government program in any way draws the inevitable criticism that one consequently hates all government, is prone to violence, and is a slack-jawed extremist. This has the effect of dampening debate, shifting the focus from the issue to personalities, and reducing honest dissent into a caricature. This should trouble any thinking person.
So, what do we do about the poor? First, let’s stop doing what hasn’t worked. Government social programs have not eliminated poverty. In fact, one could easily make the case that government social programs have perpetuated and increased the problems they are supposed to be solving. Second, let’s stop calling it compassion. Income redistribution is not compassion. A government check is not showing kindness.
Third, let’s free people to do what they are demonstrably good at: Giving of their time, their wealth, and their talent to assist those who have needs. Despite difficult economic times and burdensome government, Americans still give. Sacrificially. It amazes me that people still choose to help, even after government has taken from them such a large part of their income.
People are compassionate, not government. People sacrifice, not government. People deserve the credit, not some bureaucracy in D.C. Government is the obstacle that keeps people from being more generous. Government steals opportunities from caring people and inserts itself into the equation as the compassion bully.
People make the difference. United Way, Family promise, the soup kitchen, dozens of churches, and thousands of people in the Gallatin Valley step up every day to do the right thing. The fact that people are filling these needs is prima facie evidence that government has failed.
My friend Ron hasn’t told me if he thinks government is the answer to his question. I do know his answer will be well-considered and intelligent. I’m hoping, however, that given the overwhelming failure of government to fix our social problems that he will reach the same conclusion I have.
Tuesday, December 21, 2010
Editorial, Hope for the season
The Christmas season has traditionally been about hope, peace, and joy, but times have been tough and these things seem to be short supply. A lot of people are suffering, and a lot more are scaling back, doing without, and hunkering down.
We look for help, perhaps from government programs, from family, or from churches or charities. We seek solutions to the intractable problems of society, and ascribe blame to the rich, to government, to talk radio. Many of us put our trust in our skills, our jobs, or our intellect. Some of us put our trust in government to fix our problems, while others preach self-reliance and deify individualism.
But what happens when these things fail us? Sadly, too many of us throw up our hands and walk away, perhaps from families and children, mortgages, or even, life itself.
In these days when the rug has been yanked out from under us we might begin to re-examine our assumptions. The magnificent edifices we have built and trusted in do not seem so solid anymore. Perhaps it is time that we regain some perspective on what this life is all about.
We are insignificant creatures in the grand scheme of things. Tiny specks on this beautiful blue globe. “Each man's life is but a breath. “ We are born, we grow old, and we die. One might wonder if that is all there is. Some say so, but I don’t believe that. There has to be something more, something higher, something beyond.
The Christmas story is about God’s intervention into human affairs. The Son of God coming as savior, giving His life for us. Some of people don’t believe this. But as Morpheus said, “My beliefs do not require them to.” We all believe something, we all stake out positions of faith, whether in God or man or an idea.
I would suggest that faith in anything other than God is misplaced and futile. Our current situation would seem to lend credence to this. All the grand ideas of man have fallen short. Our systems and our safety nets have not done the job.
So when we reach the end of ourselves, when we hit rock bottom, I suggest that we turn to our Creator. As Sheryl Crow sings, “Talk to the one who made you.” God has the answers.
I think you’ll find what you are looking for. These problems will pass: “For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.” There is something better ahead.
That is the true nature of peace. Peace comes when we realize that we have a fallback position that doesn’t depend on human strength. Placing our hope in our Maker, we come to the place of faith which allows us to accept His redemption and receive His peace.
That’s why I am offering this column today. You might think I’m talking to those of you who are not believers, but I’m not. I’m talking to the faithful who may have forgotten their foundation. I’m talking to those who are downcast. I’m talking to those of you who are fed up, tired out, or are looking for real answers.
The TEA party can’t help you. Government is not the answer. Rush Limbaugh can’t solve your problems. And President Obama can’t fix things.
But God can. A baby in the manger represents hope that transcends us. You’ll find your answers there.
We look for help, perhaps from government programs, from family, or from churches or charities. We seek solutions to the intractable problems of society, and ascribe blame to the rich, to government, to talk radio. Many of us put our trust in our skills, our jobs, or our intellect. Some of us put our trust in government to fix our problems, while others preach self-reliance and deify individualism.
But what happens when these things fail us? Sadly, too many of us throw up our hands and walk away, perhaps from families and children, mortgages, or even, life itself.
In these days when the rug has been yanked out from under us we might begin to re-examine our assumptions. The magnificent edifices we have built and trusted in do not seem so solid anymore. Perhaps it is time that we regain some perspective on what this life is all about.
We are insignificant creatures in the grand scheme of things. Tiny specks on this beautiful blue globe. “Each man's life is but a breath. “ We are born, we grow old, and we die. One might wonder if that is all there is. Some say so, but I don’t believe that. There has to be something more, something higher, something beyond.
The Christmas story is about God’s intervention into human affairs. The Son of God coming as savior, giving His life for us. Some of people don’t believe this. But as Morpheus said, “My beliefs do not require them to.” We all believe something, we all stake out positions of faith, whether in God or man or an idea.
I would suggest that faith in anything other than God is misplaced and futile. Our current situation would seem to lend credence to this. All the grand ideas of man have fallen short. Our systems and our safety nets have not done the job.
So when we reach the end of ourselves, when we hit rock bottom, I suggest that we turn to our Creator. As Sheryl Crow sings, “Talk to the one who made you.” God has the answers.
I think you’ll find what you are looking for. These problems will pass: “For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.” There is something better ahead.
That is the true nature of peace. Peace comes when we realize that we have a fallback position that doesn’t depend on human strength. Placing our hope in our Maker, we come to the place of faith which allows us to accept His redemption and receive His peace.
That’s why I am offering this column today. You might think I’m talking to those of you who are not believers, but I’m not. I’m talking to the faithful who may have forgotten their foundation. I’m talking to those who are downcast. I’m talking to those of you who are fed up, tired out, or are looking for real answers.
The TEA party can’t help you. Government is not the answer. Rush Limbaugh can’t solve your problems. And President Obama can’t fix things.
But God can. A baby in the manger represents hope that transcends us. You’ll find your answers there.
Tuesday, November 2, 2010
Election night predictions
Assuming the Republicans do win tonight, be on the lookout for the following kinds of analysis from the pundits:
1) stupid voters
2) voters were filled with rage
3) no mandate for conservatives
4) Republican winners are extreme or radical
5) Democrats lost because they failed to communicate their successes
6) Democrats lost because they didn't go far enough
7) Democrats got no credit for their successes
8) Racism/greed
9) Republicans must find a way to cooperate with Obama
Thursday, October 28, 2010
Tuesday, October 19, 2010
How I'm voting - Chronicle editorial
There are some issues on the November 2nd ballot that are on my radar.
Before making my observations, I need to note that I make my voting decisions based on certain principles, including
1) Is it something better left to the private sector
2) Is it an activity that is consistent with limited government
3) Does it impede personal liberty
So for me, this means that the proper role of government is more important than good intentions. The freedom of the marketplace with its risks and rewards outweighs the presumed need to “rein in” potential risk or financial loss. And, opportunity and freedom (both to succeed and fail) are more important than “fairness.”
Issue #1, the Constitutional Convention (CC-2): Senator Joe Balyeat, whom I respect, is one of the supporters of the Convention. He clearly communicates the basic principle: “Historically, the U.S. Constitution and well-crafted state constitutions delineated rights which barred government intrusion on basic freedoms…” Quite right. The purpose of a constitution is to define and limit government, not to define or limit the people.
Unfortunately, there is a problem. There is there is no guarantee that the majority of the 100 constitutional delegates would share this view. A Constitutional Convention could very easily make the constitution worse.
Further, the delegates are really not accountable to anyone on a practical level until the revised constitution is submitted to a vote of the people. And worse, depending on what the delegates decide, we might have to vote on the revisions as a package. A Constitutional Initiative, by contrast, can only address one issue.
Therefore, I oppose the Constitutional Convention. Any needed changes are more safely handled on an issue-by-issue basis.
Issue #2, CI-105: Here is an example of the afore-mentioned Constitutional Initiative. The intent here is to mitigate the potential abuse that government could foist upon the people. CI-105 would prohibit the legislature from imposing a Real Estate Transfer Tax (RETT). Even though this tax doesn’t currently exist, the people are perfectly within their rights to restrain government in this way.
One particularly troubling statement made by those who oppose the initiative: “Our constitution establishes our most fundamental rights - like the right to bear arms and the right to privacy - and articulates the most fundamental principles of our democracy.” This is incorrect. A constitution does not establish rights. Rights are pre-existing, and can only be enumerated. The 9th amendment to the U.S. constitution confirms this: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
The opponents’ very next statement, however, swerves into a truth: “Detailed tax policy should be handled through legislation, not the constitution.” This is correct, but detailed tax policy is actually the problem. Montana’s tax system, like the feds, attempts to micromanage peoples’ finances and behaviors.
This is contrary to the principle of liberty. My pipe dream is to repeal the entire tax code in favor of some sort of single flat tax. Of course, the political will to do this does not exist. In fact, I doubt that the legislature would willingly give up its power to meddle in peoples’ financial affairs.
In any case, I favor removing this weapon from the tax man’s arsenal.
Issue #3, Initiative No. 164: There is obviously a market for payday loans, and they tend to be high risk. A commensurate charge is expected.
And, no one is forcing anyone to take out a payday loan. These are private, willing transactions that hurt no one. We just don’t need government to rescue us from every little problem that comes our way. And legislation that protects us from a $15.00 payday loan fee is one of those kinds of problems.
Good luck and good voting November 2nd.
Before making my observations, I need to note that I make my voting decisions based on certain principles, including
1) Is it something better left to the private sector
2) Is it an activity that is consistent with limited government
3) Does it impede personal liberty
So for me, this means that the proper role of government is more important than good intentions. The freedom of the marketplace with its risks and rewards outweighs the presumed need to “rein in” potential risk or financial loss. And, opportunity and freedom (both to succeed and fail) are more important than “fairness.”
Issue #1, the Constitutional Convention (CC-2): Senator Joe Balyeat, whom I respect, is one of the supporters of the Convention. He clearly communicates the basic principle: “Historically, the U.S. Constitution and well-crafted state constitutions delineated rights which barred government intrusion on basic freedoms…” Quite right. The purpose of a constitution is to define and limit government, not to define or limit the people.
Unfortunately, there is a problem. There is there is no guarantee that the majority of the 100 constitutional delegates would share this view. A Constitutional Convention could very easily make the constitution worse.
Further, the delegates are really not accountable to anyone on a practical level until the revised constitution is submitted to a vote of the people. And worse, depending on what the delegates decide, we might have to vote on the revisions as a package. A Constitutional Initiative, by contrast, can only address one issue.
Therefore, I oppose the Constitutional Convention. Any needed changes are more safely handled on an issue-by-issue basis.
Issue #2, CI-105: Here is an example of the afore-mentioned Constitutional Initiative. The intent here is to mitigate the potential abuse that government could foist upon the people. CI-105 would prohibit the legislature from imposing a Real Estate Transfer Tax (RETT). Even though this tax doesn’t currently exist, the people are perfectly within their rights to restrain government in this way.
One particularly troubling statement made by those who oppose the initiative: “Our constitution establishes our most fundamental rights - like the right to bear arms and the right to privacy - and articulates the most fundamental principles of our democracy.” This is incorrect. A constitution does not establish rights. Rights are pre-existing, and can only be enumerated. The 9th amendment to the U.S. constitution confirms this: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
The opponents’ very next statement, however, swerves into a truth: “Detailed tax policy should be handled through legislation, not the constitution.” This is correct, but detailed tax policy is actually the problem. Montana’s tax system, like the feds, attempts to micromanage peoples’ finances and behaviors.
This is contrary to the principle of liberty. My pipe dream is to repeal the entire tax code in favor of some sort of single flat tax. Of course, the political will to do this does not exist. In fact, I doubt that the legislature would willingly give up its power to meddle in peoples’ financial affairs.
In any case, I favor removing this weapon from the tax man’s arsenal.
Issue #3, Initiative No. 164: There is obviously a market for payday loans, and they tend to be high risk. A commensurate charge is expected.
And, no one is forcing anyone to take out a payday loan. These are private, willing transactions that hurt no one. We just don’t need government to rescue us from every little problem that comes our way. And legislation that protects us from a $15.00 payday loan fee is one of those kinds of problems.
Good luck and good voting November 2nd.
Tuesday, September 28, 2010
Electronic auto insurance verification: Chronicle editorial for 9/29/10
I’m a pretty good test-taker. I hate tests, but I excel at passing them. This happens to be a good thing, because we insurance agents have to take 24 hours of continuing ed every two years. Some day I might write a column to whine about government involvement in my professional status, but not today.
One continuing education requirement is 1 credit hour of Montana law. There was one thing of particular interest in this course, and this is what I want to discuss. I thought I kept my finger on the pulse of my industry rather well, but there was a change to Montana insurance law I didn’t know about.
The 2009 legislature mandated the installation of an Online Motor Vehicle Liability Insurance Verification System, the purpose of which is to be able to electronically verify the insured status of vehicles. I wondered why I had missed this, so I googled “61-6-157,” which is the actual reference for the law. The only hits I received were State of Montana Websites. It didn’t make the news at all.
This law and its related laws require insurance carriers to electronically provide insurance data to the State, commencing July 2011. Law enforcement will have real-time access to the insurance status of drivers. According to 61-6-309, “…a peace officer or authorized employee of a law enforcement agency may, during the course of a traffic stop or accident investigation, access the verification system provided under 61-6-157 to verify whether a motor vehicle is covered by a valid motor vehicle liability policy…”
You know, this sounds just like the Arizona illegal immigration law. So “peace officers” will already know if you have liability coverage when they stop you. Since the online system is funded by fines and penalties collected from violators, there appears to be a real incentive to pull over people to ascertain their insured status. Where is the ACLU when you need them?
I’m in a bit of a quandary, however. On one hand I have a financial interest in writing car insurance. On the other, I have to consider how the mandatory insurance law is interpreted by my libertarian leanings. I don’t like laws that force otherwise law-abiding citizens to purchase something.
Some have tried to draw a parallel with the mandatory purchase of health insurance under Obamacare, but it’s not the same. The purchase of liability insurance is mandated by individual states, not the feds. Liability insurance protects others, not you. And if you don’t drive the law doesn’t apply to you, whereas Obamacare is only escapable via the actions of the death panel.
So the State, in essence, is forcing us to be “responsible” by buying liability insurance, yet there is something like a 40% non compliance rate. Further, the minimum liability requirement is only $25,000 per person, $50,000 per accident bodily injury to others, and $10,000 per accident property damage to others. Or you can purchase an indemnity bond with similar limits. These are clearly token requirements, and they are exceeded in accidents on a regular basis.
I suspect the legislation is intended to increase compliance, or perhaps, to increase revenue. It certainly increases state control over citizens. Admittedly, the financial consequences of an accident are potentially quite substantial, but we need to note that there is no requirement for citizens to purchase liability insurance for carelessly leaving a rake lying around, wrong side up. In fact, aside from automotive liability there is no other liability purchase mandate I can think of.
For better or worse, I tend to err on the side of less government control in peoples’ lives. In my idea of a perfect world, individuals, not society, would be responsible for their choices.
One continuing education requirement is 1 credit hour of Montana law. There was one thing of particular interest in this course, and this is what I want to discuss. I thought I kept my finger on the pulse of my industry rather well, but there was a change to Montana insurance law I didn’t know about.
The 2009 legislature mandated the installation of an Online Motor Vehicle Liability Insurance Verification System, the purpose of which is to be able to electronically verify the insured status of vehicles. I wondered why I had missed this, so I googled “61-6-157,” which is the actual reference for the law. The only hits I received were State of Montana Websites. It didn’t make the news at all.
This law and its related laws require insurance carriers to electronically provide insurance data to the State, commencing July 2011. Law enforcement will have real-time access to the insurance status of drivers. According to 61-6-309, “…a peace officer or authorized employee of a law enforcement agency may, during the course of a traffic stop or accident investigation, access the verification system provided under 61-6-157 to verify whether a motor vehicle is covered by a valid motor vehicle liability policy…”
You know, this sounds just like the Arizona illegal immigration law. So “peace officers” will already know if you have liability coverage when they stop you. Since the online system is funded by fines and penalties collected from violators, there appears to be a real incentive to pull over people to ascertain their insured status. Where is the ACLU when you need them?
I’m in a bit of a quandary, however. On one hand I have a financial interest in writing car insurance. On the other, I have to consider how the mandatory insurance law is interpreted by my libertarian leanings. I don’t like laws that force otherwise law-abiding citizens to purchase something.
Some have tried to draw a parallel with the mandatory purchase of health insurance under Obamacare, but it’s not the same. The purchase of liability insurance is mandated by individual states, not the feds. Liability insurance protects others, not you. And if you don’t drive the law doesn’t apply to you, whereas Obamacare is only escapable via the actions of the death panel.
So the State, in essence, is forcing us to be “responsible” by buying liability insurance, yet there is something like a 40% non compliance rate. Further, the minimum liability requirement is only $25,000 per person, $50,000 per accident bodily injury to others, and $10,000 per accident property damage to others. Or you can purchase an indemnity bond with similar limits. These are clearly token requirements, and they are exceeded in accidents on a regular basis.
I suspect the legislation is intended to increase compliance, or perhaps, to increase revenue. It certainly increases state control over citizens. Admittedly, the financial consequences of an accident are potentially quite substantial, but we need to note that there is no requirement for citizens to purchase liability insurance for carelessly leaving a rake lying around, wrong side up. In fact, aside from automotive liability there is no other liability purchase mandate I can think of.
For better or worse, I tend to err on the side of less government control in peoples’ lives. In my idea of a perfect world, individuals, not society, would be responsible for their choices.
Wednesday, September 22, 2010
Successful marriage requires virtue
This chart shows data regarding the success rate of marriage when the bride has had other sexual partners. You'll note that marrying a virginal woman is an almost iron-clad guarantee that the marriage will not end in divorce. Just one sexual partner lowers the success rate to barely 50/50, and by the time a woman has had 16+ sexual partners, a successful marriage is rather unlikely.
I do not have data on the groom.
I do not have data on the groom.
Monday, September 13, 2010
How is this different than the Arizona law?
Effective October 1, 2009, Section 61-6-157, Montana Code, Annotated:
"Senate bill 508 creates an Online Motor Vehicle Liability Insurance Verification System to verify the compliance of a motor vehicle owner or operator with motor vehicle liability policy requirements and to monitor proof of financial responsibility. The new law allows the Department of Justice, Motor Vehicle Division, to contract with a private vendor or vendors to establish and maintain the system. The system will send requests to insurers for verification of motor vehicle liability insurance using electronic services established by the insurers. The system will include provisions to secure its data against unauthorized access and to maintain a record of all requests and responses. The system will be accessible without fee to authorized personnel of the Department, the courts, law enforcement
personnel, county treasurers, and their authorized agents...
"All insurers must cooperate with the department in establishing and maintaining the system and must provide access to motor vehicle liability policy status information to verify liability coverage for a vehicle insured by that company that is registered in this state and, if available, for a vehicle that is insured by that company or that is operated in this state and the subject of an accident investigation, regardless of where the vehicle is registered.
Law Enforcement Use of the System
"A peace officer or authorized employee of a law enforcement agency may, during the course of a traffic stop or accident investigation, access the verification system to verify whether a motor vehicle is covered by a valid motor vehicle liability policy as required by state law. The response received from the system supersedes an insurance card produced by a vehicle owner or operator."
Effective January 1, 2010, Section 61-3-303, Montana Code Annotated:
"Beginning July 1, 2011, the county treasurer will use the Online Motor Vehicle Liability Insurance Verification System to verify that vehicle owners have complied with motor vehicle liability requirements. Unless the verification system is temporarily unavailable, the county treasurer cannot issue license plates to a motor vehicle when compliance cannot be verified."
"Senate bill 508 creates an Online Motor Vehicle Liability Insurance Verification System to verify the compliance of a motor vehicle owner or operator with motor vehicle liability policy requirements and to monitor proof of financial responsibility. The new law allows the Department of Justice, Motor Vehicle Division, to contract with a private vendor or vendors to establish and maintain the system. The system will send requests to insurers for verification of motor vehicle liability insurance using electronic services established by the insurers. The system will include provisions to secure its data against unauthorized access and to maintain a record of all requests and responses. The system will be accessible without fee to authorized personnel of the Department, the courts, law enforcement
personnel, county treasurers, and their authorized agents...
"All insurers must cooperate with the department in establishing and maintaining the system and must provide access to motor vehicle liability policy status information to verify liability coverage for a vehicle insured by that company that is registered in this state and, if available, for a vehicle that is insured by that company or that is operated in this state and the subject of an accident investigation, regardless of where the vehicle is registered.
Law Enforcement Use of the System
"A peace officer or authorized employee of a law enforcement agency may, during the course of a traffic stop or accident investigation, access the verification system to verify whether a motor vehicle is covered by a valid motor vehicle liability policy as required by state law. The response received from the system supersedes an insurance card produced by a vehicle owner or operator."
Effective January 1, 2010, Section 61-3-303, Montana Code Annotated:
"Beginning July 1, 2011, the county treasurer will use the Online Motor Vehicle Liability Insurance Verification System to verify that vehicle owners have complied with motor vehicle liability requirements. Unless the verification system is temporarily unavailable, the county treasurer cannot issue license plates to a motor vehicle when compliance cannot be verified."
Wednesday, September 8, 2010
Another response to atheism
This is why I always ask the atheist to provide scientific evidence they exist, because, for all I know I could be having a hallucination! the atheist I am talking to might not be real! documentary, historical and anecdotal evidence don't aren't good enough! not even personal experience!
I also wonder why atheists don't have scientific evidence their mothers exist, or they love them. The atheist might counter with 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence! its a lot more extraordinary to say a (insert attributes here) sky fairy that made the universe exists than it is to say a human being that doesn't believe in a sky fairy exist' to which I reply 'wrong, it is equally extraordinary to believe that a random occurrence of molecules has somehow assembled itself into what seems to be (if you're real) your unique form and has had your unique experiences. I find that to be quite extraordinary indeed! and I would like scientific evidence you exist!' It's all in your perception and how you word things!
Most atheists don't grasp the fact that what is extraordinary is entirely dependent upon the person and their experiences. I am sure some tribesman that's lived his entire life in the amazon rain forest might think a building or a rocket ship is 'extraordinary,' while the atheist, who experiences those things everyday, will find both a rocket ship and a building to be not extraordinary.
Then you point out that according to the evidence, the majority of the world believes the supernatural exists (whether they experience it everyday as much as we experience buildings and rocket ships is a different story entirely) and thus in this sense the atheist can be compared to the ignorant tribesman in that he is completely oblivious to what the majority of the world believes is real.
I also wonder why atheists don't have scientific evidence their mothers exist, or they love them. The atheist might counter with 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence! its a lot more extraordinary to say a (insert attributes here) sky fairy that made the universe exists than it is to say a human being that doesn't believe in a sky fairy exist' to which I reply 'wrong, it is equally extraordinary to believe that a random occurrence of molecules has somehow assembled itself into what seems to be (if you're real) your unique form and has had your unique experiences. I find that to be quite extraordinary indeed! and I would like scientific evidence you exist!' It's all in your perception and how you word things!
Most atheists don't grasp the fact that what is extraordinary is entirely dependent upon the person and their experiences. I am sure some tribesman that's lived his entire life in the amazon rain forest might think a building or a rocket ship is 'extraordinary,' while the atheist, who experiences those things everyday, will find both a rocket ship and a building to be not extraordinary.
Then you point out that according to the evidence, the majority of the world believes the supernatural exists (whether they experience it everyday as much as we experience buildings and rocket ships is a different story entirely) and thus in this sense the atheist can be compared to the ignorant tribesman in that he is completely oblivious to what the majority of the world believes is real.
Monday, August 30, 2010
9/8/10 editorial - Conservative code speak
I was at the supermarket the other day, having just completed a legal, willing exchange of things of value. For $2.99 I got my box of Chester Fried, acquired without government intervention.
As I made my way to the exit I heard someone call out, “Say, are you that fellow who writes…” His voice trailed off as he looked furtively over each shoulder. Apparently satisfied he had aroused no suspicions, he came closer. Leaning toward me conspiratorially, he began again: “Are you that fellow who writes columns for the Chronicle?” He glanced around again as if we were engaging in a medical marijuana purchase. I told him I was.
“I really like what you write,” he said. “All my friends love your stuff. Keep it up. My name is John.” We exchanged in the Eeevil Extremist Conservative Secret Handshake, clasping right hands and moving them up and down in unison three to five times.
“I’m Rich, glad to meet you,” I said. “Thanks for saying something. It means a lot.” I was a bit more at ease, now that I knew he belonged. Nevertheless, I still kept my radar up. Infiltrators are everywhere.
We began our Eeeevil Extremist Conservative Code-Speak. “There are lots of patriots (Translation: People who agree with us) out there who are fed up with the government spending money like drunken sailors on shore leave (Let’s cut crucial services so the elderly will starve),” John whispered. “I don’t like Obama’s programs (Black people are ruining this country).”
John’s eyes darted to and fro. “It’s dangerous to be talking this way.” He shifted uneasily on his feet.
I tried to be reassuring. “This is America (We hate immigrants). We are still a free country (Slavery, the good old days),” I said. “All we can do is keep telling our side (Keep hysterically shouting, but offer no solutions). People are starting to wake up (Stupid people are joining us).”
John seemed to perk up. “Yeah, a lot of people are finally deciding to take a stand (We are hypocrites who had nothing to say about the past 8 years).” “I really think the TEA party is going to make a difference (with all the funding from shadowy right wingers).”
“Have you been to any TEA party events (Did you have enough Obama = Hitler signs)?” I asked. “Yeah, a couple,” John said. “It was kinda neat to protest government, like they did back in the sixties (As long as we are all white).”
“Why do they think that government can solve economic problems by doing even more of what got us into this mess (We're against the minimum wage in order to keep minorities in poverty)?” I asked. John replied, “I dunno. Do they really think we are that stupid (Glenn Beck is god)?”
I started leaning towards the door. “It was good to meet you,” I said, "and keep on believing (Keep working towards theocracy)".
John’s voice returned to normal. “It was good to meet you, too,” He said. Sotto voce again, he whispered, “What are you going to write about next (How are you going to advance corporate interests at the expense of workers)?”
I thought a moment. “Well, maybe I’ll write about the secret code language conservatives supposedly use.” John replied, “Oh, you mean like, ‘Big city problems coming to Montana?’”
“Yeah, like that,” I said. “Did you know that somehow means blacks are moving in?” He answered, “No, I didn’t. (I’ll have to update my secret decoder ring).”
“Me either.” We exchanged another Eeevil Extremist Conservative Secret Handshake, and John made his way towards the cheap wine section.
Wait a minute, he only shook twice. Infiltrators are everywhere…
As I made my way to the exit I heard someone call out, “Say, are you that fellow who writes…” His voice trailed off as he looked furtively over each shoulder. Apparently satisfied he had aroused no suspicions, he came closer. Leaning toward me conspiratorially, he began again: “Are you that fellow who writes columns for the Chronicle?” He glanced around again as if we were engaging in a medical marijuana purchase. I told him I was.
“I really like what you write,” he said. “All my friends love your stuff. Keep it up. My name is John.” We exchanged in the Eeevil Extremist Conservative Secret Handshake, clasping right hands and moving them up and down in unison three to five times.
“I’m Rich, glad to meet you,” I said. “Thanks for saying something. It means a lot.” I was a bit more at ease, now that I knew he belonged. Nevertheless, I still kept my radar up. Infiltrators are everywhere.
We began our Eeeevil Extremist Conservative Code-Speak. “There are lots of patriots (Translation: People who agree with us) out there who are fed up with the government spending money like drunken sailors on shore leave (Let’s cut crucial services so the elderly will starve),” John whispered. “I don’t like Obama’s programs (Black people are ruining this country).”
John’s eyes darted to and fro. “It’s dangerous to be talking this way.” He shifted uneasily on his feet.
I tried to be reassuring. “This is America (We hate immigrants). We are still a free country (Slavery, the good old days),” I said. “All we can do is keep telling our side (Keep hysterically shouting, but offer no solutions). People are starting to wake up (Stupid people are joining us).”
John seemed to perk up. “Yeah, a lot of people are finally deciding to take a stand (We are hypocrites who had nothing to say about the past 8 years).” “I really think the TEA party is going to make a difference (with all the funding from shadowy right wingers).”
“Have you been to any TEA party events (Did you have enough Obama = Hitler signs)?” I asked. “Yeah, a couple,” John said. “It was kinda neat to protest government, like they did back in the sixties (As long as we are all white).”
“Why do they think that government can solve economic problems by doing even more of what got us into this mess (We're against the minimum wage in order to keep minorities in poverty)?” I asked. John replied, “I dunno. Do they really think we are that stupid (Glenn Beck is god)?”
I started leaning towards the door. “It was good to meet you,” I said, "and keep on believing (Keep working towards theocracy)".
John’s voice returned to normal. “It was good to meet you, too,” He said. Sotto voce again, he whispered, “What are you going to write about next (How are you going to advance corporate interests at the expense of workers)?”
I thought a moment. “Well, maybe I’ll write about the secret code language conservatives supposedly use.” John replied, “Oh, you mean like, ‘Big city problems coming to Montana?’”
“Yeah, like that,” I said. “Did you know that somehow means blacks are moving in?” He answered, “No, I didn’t. (I’ll have to update my secret decoder ring).”
“Me either.” We exchanged another Eeevil Extremist Conservative Secret Handshake, and John made his way towards the cheap wine section.
Wait a minute, he only shook twice. Infiltrators are everywhere…
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