A leftist changes his mind about the Department of Education - FB conversation

A FB friend posted this, and a leftist objected. But... the leftist actually changed his mind when confronted with the evidence. This is a rare event indeed.

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Yup time to dismantle Dept of Ed. Let states do the job. Let PTA's influence school education.

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Kyle  Uh... well all the countries we are trying to catch up to have a centralized, national organization in charge of standards. They also have a separation between religious motivation and education so that their system can be more inclusive. It's been a model for success and EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU AND THIS IDIOT ARE PROPOSING! Have we fallen so far that we just ignore what has proven successful?

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Rich  Like Latvia and Slovenia?

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Rich  http://fairreporters.net/.../the-best-education-systems.../

The Best Education Systems In The World In 2015 | Fair Reporters

FAIRREPORTERS.NET

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Kyle  Thanks for the info Rich. But, my point is that these countries all have a centralized organization nationally that oversees standards. The proposal to remove the Department of Education would merely diminish children in low income and disadvantaged areas from receiving education while funneling more money to more privileged people. I'm sorry, but appointing someone that is completely unqualified does not then allow excuse to dismantle the DOE. That's like taking a functioning engine, although one that needs work, and smashing it to pieces and saying, "see I told you it was broken."

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Rich  Oh, you mean like "no child left behind?" Apparently you support that national standard?

The removal of the department of education would not diminish children in low income and disadvantaged areas.

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Kyle No child left behind was a terrible attempt to improve. That, also a republican plan, allowed for discrimination school to school and was used to excuse the institution of the voucher system and funneling of funds to predominantly white areas.

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Rich  I thought you said central control was always better?

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Kyle Oversight yes. The policy changes have been the problem. And worse yet, the politicians' changes are financially motivated for personal gain at a cost to the American people and especially the children. 

I would recommend looking into the scholastic material suppliers if you haven't already. It's a huge racket.

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Rich  Ok, so your walking back your claim that the end of central planning is bad? 

Oh, and by the way, here's the historical US ACT test performance. You'll note that scores were on the way down past 1980 (when the Department of Education was started), and have stayed down. In other words, there is no evidence that federal involvement has helped. Likewise, there is no evidence that discontinuing the department will hurt.

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Kyle  Well, I've thought about and I'm changing my position. You are right Rich and Bob. We should eliminate the Federal Department of Education. Fiscally I can support that. Rich you were right to point out that the racket that is the school supplies company might be better eliminated if the Federal funds were no longer being utilized. And, your info on the drop in test scores in correlation to the activities of the DOE was compelling.

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Kyle  Plus, no more DeVos..

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Lyle  ^^^ Kyle proving he has no facts to support any argument he has put forth.

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Rich  Lyle, in a respectful conversation with a polite exchange, Kyle examined the situation and determined that his position was not correct. Give him credit where credit is due, please.