These are the comments posted after my letter to the editor appeared.
The reason I'm posting them is because they are a fascinating case study in how the leftist mind works. You will note that only a handful of comments address the substance of my letter. Most of the comments deal with minor points, things I did not discuss, or projections as to what I must believe.
I'll leave them to you to discover for yourself.
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- xcskier posted at 8:33 am on Mon, Aug 26, 2013.
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Like Rich says, we should be proud to be wasteful, use-it-up, forget the
grandkids Americans!
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MRM posted at 6:39 pm on Sun, Aug 25, 2013.
Posts: 110 SW2, I'm all for ending all subsidies and all non-profits as well.-
call'em_out posted at 6:58 pm on Sun, Aug 25, 2013.
Posts: 198 What problems do non-profits cause?
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call'em_out posted at 5:35 pm on Sun, Aug 25, 2013.
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bullgod posted at 11:53 am on Sun, Aug 25, 2013.
Posts: 146 You can't argue with the liberal enviro-nazis. There arguments are entirely emotion based and trying to explain facts to them is pointless. -
MRM posted at 8:35 am on Sun, Aug 25, 2013.
Posts: 110 "A real person, man or woman, should know how to survive without the comforts of heat, electricity, and a.c. Complaining about the prices of a luxury good, electric heat and a.c., doesn't make sense.... don't buy it then if you don't like it. Isn't that capitalism?"
Tell that to the elderly. In case you don't follow the news, and by the above statement it's evident that you don't, the weakest of our population always suffer during extreme heat waves or prolonged cold spells. Usually the elderly. That is to whom I am referring.
As far as the human condition is around the world, I pray every night for it to improve.
Also, if you care to read carefully, I didn't say for one second that higher prices will affect me. I asked who the left will blame for problems they caused.
The fact is that coal still remains the best, cheapest and one of the most abundant sources we have for cheap power. Would you rather burn it here with some kind of reasonable regulation or send it to China where it puts over twice the pollutants in the air?-
Snidely Whiplash II posted at 4:25 pm on Sun, Aug 25, 2013.
Posts: 340 "The fact is that coal still remains the best, cheapest and one of the most abundant sources we have for cheap power. Would you rather burn it here with some kind of reasonable regulation or send it to China where it puts over twice the pollutants in the air?"
A fair question, I would rather not see coal burned at all unless the generating station is fully equipped with scrubbers and modern anti-pollution controls.
Let China mine their own coal.
Coal, or gasoline, remain cheap (relatively speaking) because much of the impacts involved in their production and consumption are not factored into their true costs.
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MRM posted at 12:59 pm on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.
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magicdragon posted at 4:12 pm on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.
Posts: 2726 "China has the largest wind market size of any country, according to the WWEA. By last June, China had around 67.7 gigawatts of wind capacity from its installations. Gsänger said that number is likely closer to 80 now."
" Currently the United States has close to 60 gigawatts, Gsänger said. However the total number of installments per capita in the United States isn't as impressive."
"Germany leads the European wind market with more than 30 gigawatts, helping the EU surpass 100 gigawatts of installed wind energy last fall."
Granted this is just a fraction of what we use but it is a start. Many European nations realize the importance of cutting the use of fossil fuels. Of all the political parties in the world the GOP in our country is the only one that has as one of their tenets fossil fuel use should increase. Drill, baby, drill. Carter put solar in the White House and tried to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Reagan took them down and during his term we were the only industrialized nation that wasn't building efficient rail systems. Instead during those years we lost thousands of miles of track. Even though highways are the most highly subsidized form of travel and cartage we seem to want to make semis and cargo vans our mainstay. -
lovelife posted at 6:42 pm on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.
Posts: 117 Really MRM? "When people are dying because they can't afford to heat (or cool) their homes, who will they point their long bony finger towards?"
Build a fire when it is cold, go to the mountains when it is hot or jump into some water when it is hot. There are people across the world who don't have heat or air conditioning and they are surviving. Are you an entitled human that can just continue environmental degradation for sissy pants comfort? A real person, man or woman, should know how to survive without the comforts of heat, electricity, and a.c. Complaining about the prices of a luxury good, electric heat and a.c., doesn't make sense.... don't buy it then if you don't like it. Isn't that capitalism?
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Tknees posted at 12:09 pm on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.
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lovelife posted at 11:49 am on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.
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magicdragon posted at 4:23 pm on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.
Posts: 2726 Limbaugh, Beck, Palin and Santorum all equate climate change with religion. Others too.
"The study, based on data from the 2007 Cooperative Congressional Election Study, uncovered that belief in the “Second Coming” of Jesus reduced the probability of strongly supporting government action on climate change by 12 percent when controlling for a number of demographic and cultural factors. When the effects of party affiliation, political ideology, and media distrust were removed from the analysis, the belief in the “Second Coming” increased this effect by almost 20 percent. (This suggests there is a significant overlap between those three variables and belief in the “Second Coming.”)
That very sentiment has been expressed by federal legislators. Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL) said in 2010 that he opposed action on climate change because “the Earth will end only when God declares it to be over.” He is the chairman of the Subcommittee on Environment and the Economy."
Maranatha.
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Averageguy posted at 11:29 am on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.
Posts: 66 Rich cant just disagree with the letter because he believes Walser is wrong or misinformed, because she doesn't agree with his opinion she "hates the American way of life." Drama queen mush Rich?-
magicdragon posted at 4:57 pm on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.
Posts: 2726 Really, is his America the one you want your kids and grandkids to grow and live?
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dogmantrainer posted at 10:19 pm on Fri, Aug 23, 2013.
Posts: 266 Now you did it Rich, you confronted both environmentalists and progressive socialists. OOOOu they gonna git you now.
The environmentalists don't like manwomanglbt-kind as a basic premise. MWGLBT is THE item scheduled for deletion according to their leadership (which includes IPCC - I did some research). On top of that they do not believe that THEY THEMSELVES are the culprit and should on that basis not be deleted from the earth equation. However, on behalf of all of us scum bag demons who cut trees, mine, extract, disagree with environmentalists and aren't progressive socialists: Welcome - you just made the list buddy (and don’t ever call me Francis….) (that's an obscure movie line reference).
Truth is fluid to the socialist – they don’t have absolutes, the words you use might be the same as theirs but their definitions are fluid and their meaning changes according to which best achieves the party’s objectives. Wasteful to you isn't the same as wasteful to them.
American way of life means something else too - which is why they fundamentally want progress for forward change with hope and as far away from the way you mean it as they can get. -
magicdragon posted at 11:33 am on Fri, Aug 23, 2013.
Posts: 2726 What exactly is the American way of life? In the post Civil War years anyone who spoke out against genocide against Native Americans was branded with the same label. Those who earlier opposed slavery were also mocked and belittled. In the south if you were for equal rights and against the Jim Crow laws you were unAmerican according to the racists. Women who wanted a say in government were branded as seditious. Nixon called all war protesters traitors. McCarthy went on a with hunt.
If you take time to read the Constitution you will find that speaking up for your cause is protected and the founding fathers welcomed opposing views. If environmentalists are American citizens then by definition they are working for the American way of life.
What you mean is that those who do not share your views hate your definition of American life which means that your views are contrary to them as well. We are all Americans. Your definitions mean squat. I have learned a few things in my sixty years. One of them is that no one really gives a rat's patootie what you or I think, One person's beliefs are just as valid as the next's. You seem to want sheep rather than thinking citizens.-
longneck posted at 3:50 pm on Fri, Aug 23, 2013.
Posts: 349 Well put Magicdragon. To add to what you have to say----the American way of life is historically fluid and is quite adaptable to the times.-
magicdragon posted at 10:09 pm on Fri, Aug 23, 2013.
Posts: 2726 And yes that was witch hunt, I type with a lisp.
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Tknees posted at 12:12 pm on Sat, Aug 24, 2013.
Posts: 55 Great reply!
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Caelan Simeone posted at 10:44 am on Fri, Aug 23, 2013.
Posts: 1 Rich,
I do not think that you can conclude that every extreme environmentalist hates the American way of life simply based off of one example. I agree with you on the idea that if we implemented a green tax today in the way Kristen Walser suggested it would most likely not end well for the American economy. On the other hand there are a wide variety of other methods that could be used to implement a green tax. One of these ideas is a Net Zero Tax. In this system taxes would be placed on things that do not benefit the American people such as carbon emissions and environmental destruction. The incomes based off of this tax would then be offset by reductions in other taxes such as the Income Tax, Sales Tax, or Payroll tax. This would create incentives for Americans to do positive economic activities such as make, spend and save more money, while building a society that takes better care of its natural lands and environment. Several books such as Natural Capitalism and the Ecology of Commerce talk about some of these ideas in more depth.-
Snidely Whiplash II posted at 2:53 pm on Fri, Aug 23, 2013.
Posts: 340 Caelan, nice try but using logic and acting nice is a waste of time with some extremists (Rich).
After all Rich is in favor of "the wasteful American way of life".
Rich as I am quite sure you will read this, do you not believe that there is a large amount of waste generated by the current American way of life?
I see it everyday, don't you?-
magicdragon posted at 10:08 pm on Fri, Aug 23, 2013.
Posts: 2726 Don't we give all that waste back to Mother Earth when we burn it, bury it and send it to the bottom of the sea? What nice children we are.
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