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The author offers a question contained in the title: Can Believers Manipulate the Power and Presence of Christ? He never answers it. He does quote Dr. MacArthur's bare assertions at length. He offers his own opinions about Matthew 18. But beyond that, there is precious little about "manipulating the power and presence of Christ." The article isn't even really about this.
And aside from the subject verse, there isn't a single Bible quote in the entire article. We would have hoped for a biblical explanation, not the author's (or Dr. MacArthur's) undocumented opinions.
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In the lead-up to the Truth Matters conference in October, we will be focusing our attention on the sufficiency, authority, and clarity of Scripture. Of our previous blog series, none better embodies that emphasis than Frequently Abused Verses. The following entry from that series originally appeared on October 2, 2015.
In the lead-up to the Truth Matters conference in October, we will be focusing our attention on the sufficiency, authority, and clarity of Scripture. Of our previous blog series, none better embodies that emphasis than Frequently Abused Verses. The following entry from that series originally appeared on October 2, 2015.
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Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:18–20)How often have you heard that passage (or at least part of it) quoted in a church setting?
During my time in the charismatic church, Matthew 18:18–20 was quoted in every prayer meeting and regularly from the pulpit. In fact, I cannot think of any other Scripture passage I heard quoted so frequently without ever hearing a sermon on the passage itself. And yet we would regularly bind demonic forces on earth and loose angelic armies from heaven. And we always reminded ourselves that Jesus was there because at least two or three of us were present.
Our church was far from alone in its dependence on Matthew 18:18–20. In fact, the passage is a favorite of self-appointed experts in spiritual warfare and those who put special emphasis on Christ’s presence. The passage has been chopped up and subdivided all sorts of ways in service to a number of doctrinal positions and practical applications.
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Bottom line: Does this passage have anything to do with spiritual warfare, group prayer, or marital unity? (Will the author answer these questions with an exposition of the Bible? Nope.)
As with previous posts in this series, the first thing we should check is the context of our passage. What do the surrounding verses tell us about the meaning of our text? In this case, the preceding verses are likely just as familiar as the passage in question:
If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Matthew 18:15–17)Just a simple reading of the text makes it clear that the focus is not spiritual warfare, unity in marriage, or empowering your prayer meetings. Instead, verses 15–17 speak exclusively about church discipline. (Let's review a larger context than the author offers.
At the beginning of the chapter 18 we find a reference to the Kingdom:
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”Therefore, what follows is what Jesus says about the Kingdom. Jesus isn't talking about how the local church operates. He isn't talking about a local church body at all, since the church did not yet exist. Therefore, the passage is not about local church discipline.
So what was He talking about?
We continue to read, on through the "discipline" verses and past Peter's question about forgiving his brother, to where Jesus concludes His presentation with a parable. There it says:
Mt. 18:23 Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants.Verses 1, 3, 4, and 23 all reference the Kingdom. Jesus opens and closes His discourse with a reference to the Kingdom. Again we note that Jesus is not teaching regarding the local church body. Jesus telling us what the Kingdom is like, and what our responsibilities are as members of the Kingdom.
To further bolster our case, let's look at the word "brother," used four times in the chapter, including twice the "discipline" passage:
Mt. 18:15 If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private...The other two are:
Mt. 18:21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?”
Mt. 18:35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”The word "brother" is ἀδελφός, οῦ, ὁ (adelphos): a brother, member of the same religious community, especially a fellow-Christian... That is, those in the Kingdom.)
Therefore, all of Christ’s instructions about binding and loosing, unity, and the promise of His presence come in the context of church discipline. (Nope. The remarks come in the context of Kingdom. This is confirmed by another verse, overlooked by the author. Mt. 16:19:
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”There is no mention of church discipline here. In fact, binding and loosing is predicated on Jesus' declaratory statement regarding the establishment of His church.
And lest we think that Jesus was talking only to the disciples, we find out that the kingdom is ours. Lk. 12:32:
Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.In other words, Matthew 18:18–20 means that when church leaders gather together to deal with unrepentant sinners, they have heavenly backing. (??? Where does the passage say anything about church leaders gathering?)
In his commentary on this passage, John MacArthur explains how many of the popular interpretations go wrong when they divorce the verses from their context:
Jesus’ promises in verses 18 and 19 have suffered serious misinterpretation throughout the history of the church. . . . Many charismatics use these promises—along with others, such as those of Matthew 7:7 and 21:22 —to claim from God every imaginable blessing and privilege just for the asking.
But in light of the context of what Jesus had just said, in the light of common rabbinical expressions of that day, and in light of the grammatical construction of the text, it is clear that He was not teaching that God’s power can be bent to men’s will. (???)
He was not saying that men can force heaven to do things. (We are not convinced that Dr. MacArthur is accurately representing charismatic teaching on the matter.)
Quite to the contrary, His promise was that when His people bend their wills to His, He will endorse and empower their act of obedience.
Jesus was here continuing His instruction about church discipline. He was not speaking about petitioning God for special blessings or privileges, and even less was He teaching that the church or any of its leaders has power to absolve the sins of its members. He was declaring that the church has a divine mandate to discipline its members when they refuse to repent. [4]And what about the power to bind and loose in the spiritual realm? John also carefully debunks that misinterpretation:
The rabbis (Who? What rabbis? Why should we accept their teachings?)
sometimes spoke of a principle or action as being bound in heaven or loosed in heaven to indicate, respectively, that it was forbidden or permitted in light of God’s revealed Word. . . . Believers have authority to declare that sins are either forgiven or not forgiven when that declaration is based on the teaching of God’s Word. If a person has received Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, the church can tell him with perfect confidence that his sins are loosed, that is, forgiven, because he has met God’s condition for forgiveness, namely, trust in His Son. If, on the other hand, a person refuses to receive Christ as Savior and acknowledge Him as Lord, the church can tell him with equal confidence that his sins are bound, that is, not forgiven, because he has not met God’s condition for forgiveness. [5]Matthew 18:15–17 is Christ’s explanation of how church discipline is to be practiced. Verses 18–20 expand on His instructions by informing us of the immense heavenly support provided to leaders who maintain the discipline of the church. Here’s how John MacArthur describes it:
Jesus also assures His people that He Himself acts with them when they work to purify the church: “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst.” Not only does the Father confirm discipline when it is administered according to His Word, but the Son adds His own divine confirmation. . . . To use this statement to claim the Lord’s presence at a small worship service or prayer meeting does not fit the context of church discipline and is superfluous. Christ is always present with His people, even with a lone believer totally separated from fellow Christians by prison walls or by hundreds of miles.
The context demands that the two or three are witnesses in the process of discipline. To ask or to do anything in God’s name is not to utter His name but to ask and to work according to His divine will and character. For the witnesses to have gathered in His name is therefore for them to have faithfully performed their work of verifying the repentance or impenitence of a sinning brother or sister on the Lord’s behalf. When the church gathers in the Lord’s name and for His cause and glory, it must be engaged in self-purifying ministry under His power and authority, and with His heavenly confirmation and partnership. [6]One could make a case that the church’s silence on the issue of biblical discipline (Matthew 18:15-17) has allowed for a cacophony of misinterpretations and misapplications of Matthew 18:18-20. Ripped from their original setting and intent, those verses have been made to serve a variety of false positions and pretexts.
Our interpretation of Scripture has serious practical repercussions. We would all do well to receive Paul’s counsel to Timothy: “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15).
Can I PM you about something if there's a way? It's quite a long post though.
ReplyDeleteSide note: What do you think of Christians saying you need to leave your church if the pastor doesn't teach about Nephilim and things like that? Because this author thinks so. She did a list of signs that your church is false, and that was one of them. Among the others were not teaching from Revelation and the Old Testament, and the usual suspects [only talking about God's love, once saved always saved etc.]. She is 100% convinced the end is coming soon, God personally said He'd be back in her lifetime, and she also believes in shape-shifting and things like that. What do you think? And shall I link you her blog?
I've tried to preserve my anonymity in this blog because of all the kooks out there, so no, there's no way to PM. But feel free to put your links and posts in the comment section, I can read them. If you like, I will not post them.
ReplyDeleteAs far as leaving churches because of third or fourth level doctrines, well, that's just silly. There's plenty of division and rancor regarding primary doctrines already, so it seems like hair splitting to debate about nephilim and the book of Revelation.
Honest, thoughtful people have debated these things for centuries. holding one position over another does not make one a heretic. We are brothers and sisters in Christ, and we ought to love one another.
As far as shape-shifting, well, that's really strange. I'd like a link to that.
Thanks for your comments.
https://www.marylutyndall.com/2018/10/if-i-were-satan.html
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I've never heard of this person, but I found myself agreeing with a lot of her article, in the sense that a lot of what she was saying was true. Then I came to the nephilim stuff. Um, no.
ReplyDeleteReading her main page, she seems really concerned with end-times stuff and Satan's plans. Actually, obsessed.
I remember being the same way back in the 1980s. We studied Hal Lindsey's books, we read the newspapers like everything in them was end times prophecy being fulfilled, and a pamphlet called "88 reasons the rapture will happen in 1988."
I came to the realization that this end times stuff was bearing no fruit. None of it makes a difference in leading a holy life, sharing the gospel, or being a worshiper. It's a doctrine that does not come to bear on our obligations as Christians or our standing before God. Though not a waste of time, end times study is secondary, in my opinion.
In fact, end times doctrine is a recent appearance on the scene. Around 1830 is was proposed by John Nelson Darby, and he was roundly criticized for teaching heresy. Interesting how the tide has turned on this issue.
I think the church needs to get back to first things, and stop wasting time in circular firing squads. We need a bigger vision of the Body of Christ and ministering to the sick, the downtrodden, and the lost.
The big thing I want to say is this [Warning, this is the long post. Also, I have Asperger's and tend to obsess over stupid things. I'm not being idolatrous and I don't like accusing people of doing things they're not]:
ReplyDeleteThere's this singer I like who's a Christian but not a Christian singer. I don't like every one of his songs and lyrics, but that's another story. What my point is, is that I'm worried this particular pastor will accuse him of being a satanist because of HOW he writes his music. Not because this singer needs a better relationship with God, but the writing process.
This pastor thinks ideas coming suddenly into your head is demonic activity. He accused JK Rowling and Stephenie Meyer of using spirit communication:
"Very few people are aware of the shocking truth that both Stephenie Meyer, who authored the Twilight saga, and JK Rowling, who authored the Harry Potter series, appear to have channeled their novels as evil spirits directed them...
Sadly, if the truth was known, and Twilight fans were truly aware of the dark and malignant nature of the 'real' forces behind the Twilight saga, they would run - and not walk - to the nearest exit!"
JK Rowling said, "I really don't know where the idea came from. It started with Harry [Potter], then all these characters and situations came flooding into my head."
This Catholic blogger wrote about Rowling:
"Being a former fiction writer, I can tell you that it doesn't happen this way. A writer will have a general idea of what they want to write, but characters and plotlines are contemplated for a while before it all starts to come together. (This is part of the fun!) For this reason, and because of the content of the Potter books, I definitely see something suspicious in the way these books were conceived. It's almost as if they were 'given' to her - but by who? Certainly not God, because He blatantly condemns all forms of sorcery (see Deuteronomy 18) which is what Potter and his wizardry school is all about."
So if a kid suddenly got a book idea and characters that weren't to do with witchcraft or anything evil [it was just a normal story], would he be accused of occult practices? [Continued]
Since you can't control what other people might say about someone else, I suggest you stop worrying and start praying for them. That's the best thing you can do.
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